My Pleasant Hearth installation. Assistance needed! (photos)

[Mercury220]

I haven't been able to actually get an installer to install my stove so I decided to look to the forum for help. I have taken measurements and plotted out an install. Would love guidance and opinions.

The Red dot is a hole I drilled in the ceiling as a reference. It is 15" from the wall. The green is how I would like to install the pipe. I am pretty sure I am going to use double wall black stove pipe.

I had to cut an access hole into the space above my hearth room.

Here are the measurements of stove location:

This is on the back of the stove.
(broken image removed)

Does this seem like a feasible install? The two installers I had out said it would be a good path but I can't get a hold of them to install.

 

[Mercury220]

Also if anybody in the North Delaware/Philadelphia area would like to help me install, I make some mean BBQ and always have tasty beer!

 

[jonwright]

First thing I noticed is....NO INSULATION in the walls or ceiling? Really?

 

[Wade A.]

On that back side clearance, is it really 14 3/8", or more like only 12"? I ask because it is hard to tell from the manual to which point on the back of this stove the measurement should be taken.

I assume that the "jog" in your connector is necessary to clear the wall in the attic? If so, have you considered running Class A chimney all the way to the ceiling height? That has 2" to combustible allowance.

Otherwise, looking good!

 

[Mercury220]

First thing I noticed is....NO INSULATION in the walls or ceiling? Really?

The house was built in 1929, I guess insulation wasn't important then! haha

 

[bluedogz]

Also if anybody in the North Delaware/Philadelphia area would like to help me install, I make some mean BBQ and always have tasty beer!

I live in Havre de Grace, MD, and can offer Black Friday or Saturday, if that will help.

I'll trade for chimney liner help!

I don't drink, but can do damage to your BBQ.

 

[Mercury220]

On that back side clearance, is it really 14 3/8", or more like only 12"? I ask because it is hard to tell from the manual to which point on the back of this stove the measurement should be taken.

I assume that the "jog" in your connector is necessary to clear the wall in the attic? If so, have you considered running Class A chimney all the way to the ceiling height? That has 2" to combustible allowance.

Otherwise, looking good!

There is a blower with a shield on the back of the stove, but the actual stove clearance is 14"

Yes, I need to clear the wall as well as the ceiling joist which is actually to the right of the wall stud.

 

[Wade A.]

Go it. Well, if it were me (and it was, when I installed mine) I'd do whatever I needed to go straight up. Cut that ceiling joist and/or roof rafter and box them out. You'll have a more aesthetically pleasing connection when viewed from the living space, but you'll also improve your draft. It is not a hard job to do, and requires only basic carpentry skills. Looks like you've got plenty of work space above to saw and hammer. Would have loved to have had that on mine!

And yeah, zero insulation? Whoa. I might pull all the flooring up in the attic when cutting/boxing and put some insulation around the area directly above the stove. You are going to lose a ton of heat through your attic floor.

 

[Mercury220]

... I'd do whatever I needed to go straight up. Cut that ceiling joist and/or roof rafter and box them out. You'll have a more aesthetically pleasing connection when viewed from the living space, but you'll also improve your draft.

I actually can't go straight up because the wall to the right that you see in the attic area is directly above the center of the pipe. (The Red dot) So I have to shift it over

 

[Wade A.]

I see what you mean...yeah.

Too bad you have that window about your stove, in one sense. If it weren't there, you could shift the stove footprint a few inches over and you wouldn't notice it. As is, the eye would see quickly that the stove is not centered on the windowl. That is the only negative...the window is a nice feature to have above the stove.

To minimize the offset when looking at it straight on, you could pivot it towards the outside wall, if you follow me. Looks like you have more than enough rear clearance to do that.

 

[bluedogz]

... I'd do whatever I needed to go straight up. Cut that ceiling joist and/or roof rafter and box them out. You'll have a more aesthetically pleasing connection when viewed from the living space, but you'll also improve your draft.

I actually can't go straight up because the wall to the right that you see in the attic area is directly above the center of the pipe. (The Red dot) So I have to shift it over

If this is a typical wall in the attic area, that wall could be made a few inches thicker to 'sandwich' the class A, could it not? That would allow you a straight shot.

 

[Wade A.]

Good idea Bluedogz....but I'm thinking that is an interior wall, which would require either shifting the whole thing, or building a "bump" out in it. I might just put the two 45's in the connector if I were faced with that. Still.....a bump out? Hmm.....might could, might could.

What do you think Mercury?

 

[bluedogz]

Good idea Bluedogz....but I'm thinking that is an interior wall, which would require either shifting the whole thing, or building a "bump" out in it. I might just put the two 45's in the connector if I were faced with that. Still.....a bump out? Hmm.....might could, might could.

What do you think Mercury?

A bump-out, or just make the whole wall thicker. If the pipe needs, I dunno, 6" plus 2" clearance, just strip one side of the wall, add a couple of 2x3s, and skin it back up. The spackle is the biggest pain in the neck.

 

[woodchip]

My only thought is if it were not possible to position the fire a few inches to the left and have a vertical flue, would the bend be less noticeable below the window?

I assume the hearth is already fixed......

 

[Mercury220]

The hearth is floating so it can be moved, although I'd like to keep the stove centered in the room.

 

[bluedogz]

Now that I've seen the photos (blocked out at work), turns out my input was invalid. Sorry...

I'll still give ya a hand though. Maybe you could move the window. Or the dog.

 

[Mercury220]

I just got word from my county that I can actually do the install myself, just need the permit.

So it is time to start ordering pipe!

 

[woodchip]

The hearth is floating so it can be moved, although I'd like to keep the stove centered in the room.

I can see why you would want the stove in the center, but was just thinking about a vertical pipe, and also running it in line with the upright in the window rather than up the middle of the window.

Mind you, I was never much good at designing stuff in my own home, I leave it all to my wife...... ;-)

 

[Shari]

If I'm reading your specs correctly, you need 14" rear and side clearances - I'm not seeing that in your photos.

 

[Benchwrench]

can you envision using that corner of the room instead of window centered?

 

[Mercury220]

If I'm reading your specs correctly, you need 14" rear and side clearances - I'm not seeing that in your photos.

The rear of the stove has a 14" clearance from the wall as pictured. The sides of the stove are not even close to being 14" from the side walls.

If you are talking about the hearth, it matches the pictured requirements to a T. 8" rear and sides as well as 16" from the opening of the firebox

 

[Mercury220]

can you envision using that corner of the room instead of window centered?

I thought about it, but there is a radiator there and I feel like it would ruin the Feng Shui.

 

[Benchwrench]

based on your situation, I don't see anything wrong with what you've highlighted in green. However, I would still propose a relocation of the step top to a corner and modify the radiator placement under the window as it wouldn't protrude into the room like the stove. That is if it's doable.

 

[firefighterjake]

Love the pic of the dog . . . he does not look amused.

 

[Mercury220]

Love the pic of the dog . . . he does not look amused.

That is because he has been laying in front of a wood stove with no heat! He is really upset! haha