I get to play this weekend....

[bluedogz]

... maybe this belongs in "Gear" but not sure.

I get to play with one of these Saturday/Sunday...

(broken link removed to http://www.niftylift.com/usa/products/trailer-mounted-cherry-pickers/tm40-trailer-mounted-cherry-picker)

And THEN I get to burn stuff!

 

[Backwoods Savage]

Those can be fun. Go at it!

 

[Burd]

HA make sure u have some one on the ground. couple of yrs back we were triming trees a dude cut his hand in the lift with chain saw. If it wasn't for some one on the groung to get him down I think he would of jumped. Be safe have a spotter

 

[bluedogz]

Actually, I AM the spotter... Hogwildz will have to jump.

 

[bogydave]

Nice.
We'll need pictures
Watch out for power lines !!

 

[Hogwildz]

;-)

Woot!

 

[remkel]

Would love to hear how it works for you. I am considering doing the same here for a monster oak in my yard. Pretty certain i could drop it in the back yard, but pretty certain I could also drop it on the house. Don't partiularly care for those odds.

 

[WoodpileOCD]

Glad you decided on this. It will make the whole job go much smoother than trying to arrange ladders on that chimney of yours and wrestle that liner. Are you going to post install pics here or continue on your other thread? Looks like clear and cold for the weekend up that way.

I grew up in the DC area and spent a LOT of weekends recreating on the Bay and much of it up your way. Camped at Elk Neck SP a lot and fished the Susquehanna Flats whenever I could. Also caught the Shad runs in the spring at the foot of Conowingo Dam. Man.... hadn't thought about those days in a long time.

Good luck this weekend and we will want to know just how 'wild' the hogz really is.

 

[bluedogz]

Unless mods dictate otherwise, I'll just start an install thread for the photos.

I live right next to the Conowingo Dam! Just barely south of Darlington.

I bet Hogwildz isn't all THAT wild... we're gonna give him a kitten when he gets here and see what he does.

 

[Hogwildz]

Hogz is getting older, and more crickety, so unless I drink ALOT, I will be mellow as I am 95% of the time.
Its only when a jackass pisses me off, that the wildz comes out. LOL
I'll be leaving my club here in the cave, no worries.
Kittens are a weak spot for me.
And I stay away from the 2 legged ones, as I have found my purrfect kitten. So I am a fairly well behave Neanderthal these days.
Lucky me, its going to be cold, and I'll be in the basket freezing my ass off.
I'll be breaking out the johnnies this weekend.
Remember, as easy as you hope this to go, there are usually always snags. I will bring what I can tools wise, just in case.
The only thing I won't have is ladders. I bought racks to take my ladder to the last donation install, after we figured the ladder they had didn't reach, and made the second trip to Philly.
But, I did not install them on this truck. SO everything else I should have.
Do you have any seasoned wood to light her up with?
Rope for the pulldown of the liner?
The hardest parts are going to be wrestling the liner into the top and getting it straight, and hopefully it slides right down with no hang ups.
I prepare for the worst, and if it isn't so bad, makes it that much sweeter.
Cya Sunday!

 

[bluedogz]

Hogz is getting older, and more crickety, so unless I drink ALOT, I will be mellow as I am 95% of the time.
Its only when a jackass pisses me off, that the wildz comes out. LOL
I'll be leaving my club here in the cave, no worries.
Kittens are a weak spot for me.
And I stay away from the 2 legged ones, as I have found my purrfect kitten. So I am a fairly well behave Neanderthal these days.
Lucky me, its going to be cold, and I'll be in the basket freezing my ass off.
I'll be breaking out the johnnies this weekend.
Remember, as easy as you hope this to go, there are usually always snags. I will bring what I can tools wise, just in case.
The only thing I won't have is ladders. I bought racks to take my ladder to the last donation install, after we figured the ladder they had didn't reach, and made the second trip to Philly.
But, I did not install them on this truck. SO everything else I should have.
Do you have any seasoned wood to light her up with?
Rope for the pulldown of the liner?
The hardest parts are going to be wrestling the liner into the top and getting it straight, and hopefully it slides right down with no hang ups.
I prepare for the worst, and if it isn't so bad, makes it that much sweeter.
Cya Sunday!

Told ya I planned!

Got rope (50'), ladders, and even a barrel of bear fat in case we have to grease it up. I am HOPING ladders will be unnecessary- as you've seen, the chimney is on the upper roof of two, so to ladder it you'd either have to have a really long one, or kind of do the Indiana Jones thing from roof to roof.

We also straightened it out and laid it out in the barn in the hope it might relax a bit. We got pretty much all the kinks out so hopefully it'll drop straight in.

Seasoned wood? Tons. Literally. Kindlin' too.

Just kidding on the bear fat....

Lucky me, its going to be cold, and I’ll be in the basket freezing my ass off.

Oh, yeah- I have a gross of those little teabag-size heat packs to keep your tootsies warm.

I have no intention of anyone being in that basket more than a few minutes. (he said, crossing his remaining fingers...)

 

[BrotherBart]

The tail kicker will be the tee and snout at the bottom. If I remember correctly it is a 13 x 13 flue so it should go down OK. But those two piece tees can be a pain. Literally.

And you can straighten that liner all you want. He will have to do it again up top foot by foot as it goes in.

 

[bluedogz]

Even better, the thimble is 6", and so is the snout. So, the only way to get the snout through is to kind of tap it through- i'm thinking a chunk of 2x4 plus a dead-blow hammer. I suppose I could chip out a few chunks of the thimble, but that didn't seem like a good idea.

 

[Hogwildz]

Even better, the thimble is 6", and so is the snout. So, the only way to get the snout through is to kind of tap it through- i'm thinking a chunk of 2x4 plus a dead-blow hammer. I suppose I could chip out a few chunks of the thimble, but that didn't seem like a good idea.

No factory metal thimble? Are you just pushing it through the brick?

 

[Hogwildz]

The tail kicker will be the tee and snout at the bottom. If I remember correctly it is a 13 x 13 flue so it should go down OK. But those two piece tees can be a pain. Literally.

And you can straighten that liner all you want. He will have to do it again up top foot by foot as it goes in.

Yeap, the minute its lift off the ground, it will be like a limp you know what after a happy ending.
Draping it over the basket is only going to hold it at both basket ends, the rest will drape down.
This is going to be fun doing from a basket in mid air with no roof to rest the other end on. May need another guy up top to support it against the roof.
We'll Git r done bubba!

 

[BrotherBart]

Here is his clay thimble you will be working with. And limp ain't what a "flex" liner is. Done three of them. Alone. One double wall. :ahhh:

https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/84314/

 

[BrotherBart]

Just so I can say "I told you so." Monday. Coil it and tie the whole thing to the basket and take it up with you. Take a look when you get there. That may be a better way. Or not.

 

[Hogwildz]

Just so I can say "I told you so." Monday. Coil it and tie the whole thing to the basket and take it up with you. Take a look when you get there. That may be a better way. Or not.

Was thinking that myself. Some kind of strap to tighten & release, so as to just uncoil it right into the chimney.

 

[Hogwildz]

Hey Blue, you have an angle grinder with a masonry blade in it?

 

[BrotherBart]

Just so I can say "I told you so." Monday. Coil it and tie the whole thing to the basket and take it up with you. Take a look when you get there. That may be a better way. Or not.

Was thinking that myself. Some kind of strap to tighten & release, so as to just uncoil it right into the chimney.

You will probably end up just tossing the coil on the roof behind the chimney after you get one end started and work it from there with you in the basket. Pull straighten stuff, pull straighten stuff...

Have a couple of cheap walkie talkies. The guy inside with an arm through the thimble will be easier to talk to. Me, it was twenty or thirty trips up and down the ladder. Each time. And for goodness sake don't have anybody's hand sticking in there when that thing comes down. Think guillotine here.

Edit: And have a pocket knife and tin snips up there with ya. You can cut off the excess with a pocket knife between the corrugations but will need the snips to cut the corrugation itself.

 

[Hogwildz]

Just so I can say "I told you so." Monday. Coil it and tie the whole thing to the basket and take it up with you. Take a look when you get there. That may be a better way. Or not.

Was thinking that myself. Some kind of strap to tighten & release, so as to just uncoil it right into the chimney.

You will probably end up just tossing the coil on the roof behind the chimney after you get one end started and work it from there with you in the basket. Pull straighten stuff, pull straighten stuff...

Have a couple of cheap walkie talkies. The guy inside with an arm through the thimble will be easier to talk to. Me, it was twenty or thirty trips up and down the ladder. Each time. And for goodness sake don't have anybody's hand sticking in there when that thing comes down. Think guillotine here.

The way I see it, I am going to be coming in to the chimney at an angle just above the wall between the upper and lower roof. So tossing on the roof might not work. I may be able to have the coil in the basket, and jet let it unravel while I straighten & stuff. It will come down to actually being up there and finding the best, easiest way.
The two ways I don't have. I leave that to Blue, he is the one they will be calling stumpy LOL.

 

[pen]

Make sure you come up w/ some sort of pulling cone to have him working from the inside.

Communication will be key though so that he isn't pulling down while you are trying to readjust in the other direction.

pen

 

[Hogwildz]

He has some contraption he is going to make up.
Last one I helped with, I just cut a slit vertically in the liner (he had plenty extra length) and rolled the end over each other forming a cone out of the end of the liner, screwed it together, and wallah, cone.
Had a large washer inside with a knot on the end of the rope, washer trapped inside the now made cone, pulled down, cut clean edge on the liner and installed. Not too bad.

Worst part was the old clay liner had offsets in the seams as off as 3/4" and then lots of mortar ooze at the seams. Had to get a broom handle and knock off the mortar. Twist, turn, push, pull. Almost didn't go, until I kept spinning the liner.

 

[bluedogz]

Up side: no offsets, no mortar ooze that I can see; to be honest, looking up from the thimble I almost wonder if the joints are mortared at all. As far as attaching the liner to the bucket, remember, I'm a biker from way back too- I have a closet full of 2-ton ratcheting tie-downs. If it can hold a 'Glide behind my truck at 90, it should be able to get a liner up 30'.

Plan for pulling the liner down consisted of tying a rope to the attached tee, reaching through the thimble, and, well, pulling. This also eliminates the 'guillotine' risk since the tee has a rounded edge like a coffee can.

You can toss the liner on the roof if you like, but remember the stack is 10' above the roof, so that might not be helpful.

Angle grinder with all kinds of blades- yup. I can cut a brick or a Buick in half if necessary. Sawzall too if you wanna get medieval on it.

I am most concerned about the clay thimble... tempted to just chisel the opening bigger, but that takes me deep into uncharted waters. BBart pulled up the best photo I've got in his post above; up to now, the crimped end of the stack was just jammed into that hole and held in by tension.

I think the walkies will either be two cellphones, or Mrs. Blue standing in the doorway yelling in relay.

And have a pocket knife and tin snips up there with ya.

I have a tool bucket laid out that will ride up the first trip. Big orange Homer bucket with lots of little pockets attached. Also have a belt with pouches if you prefer.

Edit: Oh yeah- the bucket will reach above the chimney just as well as next to it, so why not just position yourself above the flue and drop the liner in an arms-length at a time? Take a look at the specs for the lift- that thing will get all Kama Sutra anywhere around the chimney you want it to.

 

[Hogwildz]

Up side: no offsets, no mortar ooze that I can see; to be honest, looking up from the thimble I almost wonder if the joints are mortared at all. As far as attaching the liner to the bucket, remember, I'm a biker from way back too- I have a closet full of 2-ton ratcheting tie-downs. If it can hold a 'Glide behind my truck at 90, it should be able to get a liner up 30'.

Plan for pulling the liner down consisted of tying a rope to the attached tee, reaching through the thimble, and, well, pulling. This also eliminates the 'guillotine' risk since the tee has a rounded edge like a coffee can.

You can toss the liner on the roof if you like, but remember the stack is 10' above the roof, so that might not be helpful.

Angle grinder with all kinds of blades- yup. I can cut a brick or a Buick in half if necessary. Sawzall too if you wanna get medieval on it.

I am most concerned about the clay thimble... tempted to just chisel the opening bigger, but that takes me deep into uncharted waters. BBart pulled up the best photo I've got in his post above; up to now, the crimped end of the stack was just jammed into that hole and held in by tension.

I think the walkies will either be two cellphones, or Mrs. Blue standing in the doorway yelling in relay.

And have a pocket knife and tin snips up there with ya.

I have a tool bucket laid out that will ride up the first trip. Big orange Homer bucket with lots of little pockets attached. Also have a belt with pouches if you prefer.

Edit: Oh yeah- the bucket will reach above the chimney just as well as next to it, so why not just position yourself above the flue and drop the liner in an arms-length at a time? Take a look at the specs for the lift- that thing will get all Kama Sutra anywhere around the chimney you want it to.

The thimble is why I asked about the angle grinder. Make good easy clean cuts with the angle grinder, And you can also go sideways with the blade to enlarge the opening that way keeping with the roundness along the blade round.
I have my tool belt, and most likely all the tools I will need. Keep an extra rope handy so I can hang it off the basket to lower to ground for anything that may be needed to rope up, eliminates the need to go up and down .
gonna have to be next to the opening to get the end of the liner in, then I can prolly position above the top to lower the liner down. Will have to see whats most easy & comfortable.
Sounds like we are all set.
Do you ahve a WAWA or 7Eleven, convenience store nearby?