BEV Pickup Trucks

[Ashful]

No and am afraid to ask…

I was very briefly all gung-ho about replacing our prior sports wagon with a BEV SUV... until I saw the initial cost. This was in 2020, so maybe the ratio has closed a bit, but I was looking at BEV's for $110k that lacked basic features and capability found on $65k ICE's. The gap closes somewhat when figuring TCO, but still not entirely in our case... that's an awful big gap to close with $100 fuel per month and a $45 oil change once per year. I'm not keeping the car 40 years.

Even if equal, I was looking at 5-seater BEV's with limited storage and towing, versus 7-seater ICE's with more storage and capacity to tow all of my trailers, for nearly double the price?

 

[boomfire]

For chits and giggles I checked vroom and carvana to price my ioniq 5, it dropped price by 10k from Last week.

They reacted quickly with relative to Tesla price drop. bummer

 

[woodgeek]

For shits and giggles I checked vroom and carvana to price my ioniq 5, it dropped price by 10k from Last week.

They reacted quickly with relative to Tesla price drop. bummer

The EV fora are reporting today that used EV prices have dropped dramatically across makes.

I am still glad I leased my 22 Bolt.

Next step is I expect that Ford will see some heavier cancellations on their wait lists... and will reopen taking orders.... before also dropping prices.

 

[moresnow]

The EV fora are reporting today that used EV prices have dropped dramatically across makes.

I am still glad I leased my 22 Bolt.

Next step is I expect that Ford will see some heavier cancellations on their wait lists... and will reopen taking orders.... before also dropping prices.

Lets hope this is the case. For all of us. Reality check. Perhaps?

 

[EbS-P]

For shits and giggles I checked vroom and carvana to price my ioniq 5, it dropped price by 10k from Last week.

They reacted quickly with relative to Tesla price drop. bummer

There is talk that there is a car loan crisis brewing. They’ve been saying that for a while. But used car prices are dropping fast from their peak as new inventory builds a the rising interest rates decrease purchasing power. I do think any new ICE purchased now will see larger than average depreciation as demand for BEVs grows. The new and used EV tax credit will have impacts on valuations.

 

[EbS-P]

I was very briefly all gung-ho about replacing our prior sports wagon with a BEV SUV... until I saw the initial cost. This was in 2020, so maybe the ratio has closed a bit, but I was looking at BEV's for $110k that lacked basic features and capability found on $65k ICE's. The gap closes somewhat when figuring TCO, but still not entirely in our case... that's an awful big gap to close with $100 fuel per month and a $45 oil change once per year. I'm not keeping the car 40 years.

Even if equal, I was looking at 5-seater BEV's with limited storage and towing, versus 7-seater ICE's with more storage and capacity to tow all of my trailers, for nearly double the price?

Model X price drop.

 

[Ashful]

I do think any new ICE purchased now will see larger than average depreciation as demand for BEVs grows.

Remember that ICE manufacturing is stopping after this year on many makes/models. There's a good chance this could cause pricing to spike for awhile, if demand for ICE's stays nearly where it is, and supply drops out.

Model X price drop.

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But $109,990 is almost exactly what was being quoted for the old 2020 Model X Performance Edition? I guess they don't have that specific configuration anymore, but would the Dual Motor AWD have been slightly less in 2020?

 

[EbS-P]

Remember that ICE manufacturing is stopping after this year on many makes/models. There's a good chance this could cause pricing to spike for awhile, if demand for ICE's stays nearly where it is, and supply drops out.


But $109,990 is almost exactly what was being quoted for the old 2020 Model X Performance Edition? I guess they don't have that specific configuration anymore, but would the Dual Motor AWD have been slightly less in 2020?

You’re looking at the wrong one. 119k$ for the plaid. Yeah probably. Inflation…. 0-60 in 2.5 seconds. If spending 100k plus and like to fast I dont find an equivalent to the plaid. You just have to deal with Model X build and engineering quality.

 

[Ashful]

You’re looking at the wrong one. 119k$ for the plaid. Yeah probably. Inflation…. 0-60 in 2.5 seconds. If spending 100k plus and like to fast I dont find an equivalent to the plaid. You just have to deal with Model X build and engineering quality.

Oh, got it. Yeah, I wasn't looking at Plaid, in fact I don't recall it even being an option for that model in 2020. This was a vehicle for my wife to drive, and while she likes "sporty", I've never been able to convince her of the necessity of spending extra for extreme performance options. Some people just don't get it...

Had a Durango SRT priced out for comparison, but she punted and ordered an R/T while I wasn't looking. Nice car, but would be nicer with an extra 110 hp.

 

[boomfire]

Chevy Silverado EV WT with 450 mi range is looking good. not a fan of the 'look'.

I am torn between Cybertruck (not so great range but not terrible either), silverado ev and gmc denali ev. finally great to have choices.
Although slightly leaning towards cybertruck.

 

[EbS-P]

I got to put my finger prints on a Cyber truck today.
It’s really something. It monstrous but then it’s not. It grew on me the hour I was sitting in the waiting room. so here is my take. Huge amounts of money were spent in R & D and the assembly line. It will probably start making money late this year or early next. At 250k units a year it’s not a volume production line but… how about in 5 years. Could it be priced competitively? An LFP battery and AWD that’s like 450 HP and 600 lb ft. Yeah I think it could. Tesla has not yet folded to the new model release like all other manufacturers.

One aspect that I didn’t realize until today is how massive the dash is. It’s the size of our first dining room table. No joke! If you loose something up there all the way by the glass you better have a grabber to get it back. One drove by the house today. They grab attention on the road. One of the sales team members was wiping it down hourly.

 

[boomfire]

I got to put my finger prints on a Cyber truck today.
It’s really something. It monstrous but then it’s not. It grew on me the hour I was sitting in the waiting room. so here is my take. Huge amounts of money were spent in R & D and the assembly line. It will probably start making money late this year or early next. At 250k units a year it’s not a volume production line but… how about in 5 years. Could it be priced competitively? An LFP battery and AWD that’s like 450 HP and 600 lb ft. Yeah I think it could. Tesla has not yet folded to the new model release like all other manufacturers.

One aspect that I didn’t realize until today is how massive the dash is. It’s the size of our first dining room table. No joke! If you loose something up there all the way by the glass you better have a grabber to get it back. One drove by the house today. They grab attention on the road. One of the sales team members was wiping it down hourly.

how far do you live from a tesla service station

 

[EbS-P]

how far do you live from a tesla service station

2:15minutes. 136 miles. Yesterday was painless. But in general it’s a PITA.

 

[boomfire]

2:15minutes. 136 miles. Yesterday was painless. But in general it’s a PITA.

yikes, i am about 2 hours away.

do you ever utilize tesla mobile service at all?

 

[EbS-P]

yikes, i am about 2 hours away.

do you ever utilize tesla mobile service at all?

It’s only been an option for a camera upgrade and the mobile tech installed the wrong parts and or didn’t get the triple cam mounted correctly. Everything else was big shop jobs. Front axels and control arms, window regulator and onboard charger.

Came home with a spare 12 volt battery because I don’t trust that they could actually get to me before it died and locked me out (or in)

 

[EbS-P]

Yeah BEV trucks can be practical. If you only want to climb pikes peak.

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[boomfire]

I got to put my finger prints on a Cyber truck today.
It’s really something. It monstrous but then it’s not. It grew on me the hour I was sitting in the waiting room. so here is my take. Huge amounts of money were spent in R & D and the assembly line. It will probably start making money late this year or early next. At 250k units a year it’s not a volume production line but… how about in 5 years. Could it be priced competitively? An LFP battery and AWD that’s like 450 HP and 600 lb ft. Yeah I think it could. Tesla has not yet folded to the new model release like all other manufacturers.

One aspect that I didn’t realize until today is how massive the dash is. It’s the size of our first dining room table. No joke! If you loose something up there all the way by the glass you better have a grabber to get it back. One drove by the house today. They grab attention on the road. One of the sales team members was wiping it down hourly.

just saw one in person.

Interior is underwhelming. exterior looks great, finger prints doesn't bother me.

you are right about the dash, not a fan of how things can roll down and would need a grabber, especially when you are driving and a passenger puts like a phone (on braking it slides all the way to the end).

also not a fan of the truck bed and how the front side is angled, i get why they did that, but they could've easily built it normal.

I really like it. there are lots of minor details that makes me pause about 100k + taxes for the foundation series. If it was 80k, with ev credit sure (dont know how long the ev credits will last)

 

[woodgeek]

I've spotted 4 cybertrucks IRL so far... first one in PA last night. The others were 2 in Sarasota FL in 4 days, and 1 in Traverse City MI in 4 days. 2 of the 4 were wrapped.

 

[EbS-P]

just saw one in person.

Interior is underwhelming. exterior looks great, finger prints doesn't bother me.

you are right about the dash, not a fan of how things can roll down and would need a grabber, especially when you are driving and a passenger puts like a phone (on braking it slides all the way to the end).

also not a fan of the truck bed and how the front side is angled, i get why they did that, but they could've easily built it normal.

I really like it. there are lots of minor details that makes me pause about 100k + taxes for the foundation series. If it was 80k, with ev credit sure (dont know how long the ev credits will last)

I think the AWD version will be 79.9 k with a tax credit. When they ramp production I wonder what demand will be. It’s not a cheaply built truck. And probably has a good profit margin at full scale production.

 

[begreen]

Evidiently, insurance rates on the CT are sky high due to very high repair costs. For the cost, other than the vanity factor, there are better all around BEV trucks and more coming.

 

[Ashful]

I've spotted 4 cybertrucks IRL so far... first one in PA last night. The others were 2 in Sarasota FL in 4 days, and 1 in Traverse City MI in 4 days. 2 of the 4 were wrapped.

Damn, we travel in similar circles. I was in Sarasota and the Keys last week, and also saw at least 2 or 3 there. I've seen two in PA, or maybe the same one twice.

Personally, I think they look stupid, but I'm often slow to adapt to new cosmetics.

Tesla is taking a lot of crap online for build quality issues. I'm not sure how much is hype versus reality, but it really appears pretty terrible.

yikes, i am about 2 hours away.

do you ever utilize tesla mobile service at all?

My cousin bought a Model 3 dual motor AWD in 2017, just months after I bought a new 2016 ICE. He was ribbing me about maintenance, bragging he'd have none but tires and inspection. But the reality for him has been numerous wasted half days or full days, driving it to the nearest Tesla service station, and waiting on recalls or upgrades. Meanwhile, my ICE has never been to a dealer or shop for anything but inspections and new tires, in the last 8 years.

I do my own oil changes, once per year, although those could also be handled during the annual inspection. Most importantly, I'm not driving further than a few minutes from my house, for said inspection and tires, whereas his drive for service is over an hour each way.

It's all good, I love his car. But to think any new tech from a fast-growing company like Tesla is going to come without a few bugs, is just foolish optimism. It's a great car, but if lower maintenance were his primary concern, he'd have done better to stick with an ICE for at least one more generation. Theory and reality don't always align, in early days.

 

[woodgeek]

Damn, we travel in similar circles. I was in Sarasota and the Keys last week, and also saw at least 2 or 3 there. I've seen two in PA, or maybe the same one twice.

Personally, I think they look stupid, but I'm often slow to adapt to new cosmetics.

Tesla is taking a lot of crap online for build quality issues. I'm not sure how much is hype versus reality, but it really appears pretty terrible.


My cousin bought a Model 3 dual motor AWD in 2017, just months after I bought a new 2016 ICE. He was ribbing me about maintenance, bragging he'd have none but tires and inspection. But the reality for him has been numerous wasted half days or full days, driving it to the nearest Tesla service station, and waiting on recalls or upgrades. Meanwhile, my ICE has never been to a dealer or shop for anything but inspections and new tires, in the last 8 years.

I do my own oil changes, once per year, although those could also be handled during the annual inspection. Most importantly, I'm not driving further than a few minutes from my house, for said inspection and tires, whereas his drive for service is over an hour each way.

It's all good, I love his car. But to think any new tech from a fast-growing company like Tesla is going to come without a few bugs, is just foolish optimism. It's a great car, but if lower maintenance were his primary concern, he'd have done better to stick with an ICE for at least one more generation. Theory and reality don't always align, in early days.

Happy to agree, while pointing out 2017 was the launch/scale year of the Model 3, so ofc there are severe built/bug issues. Tesla's actually major engineering budget didn't show up until provided by the revenue stream produced by those buggy 3's.

In 2024 everyone is talking about how out of date it is, being used to a 6 year refresh cycle from legacy auto.

I am now trying to spot Highlands, the refreshed model 3 that is getting rave reviews as a 'grownup version' of the 3. They have a subtly different front, and the rear spoiler says 'T E S L A' rather than the logo. Spotted one yesterday near my home.

For the right price, I might lease one Sept 25 when my current lease is up.

 

[EbS-P]

There are enough Cyber Trucks and the road if they were all crap we’d know. Yeah it was not a great launch quality wise. They will improve. The tech technology is there. My parents have 5k miles on their M3 rwd with no issues in 8 months.

NACS rollout by other manufacturers hasn’t happened yet. Once that does it Kia and Hyundai products will look really active to me. But so would a used model 3/y.

The cyber truck is good enough to sell well. I would expect price drops on the AWD version once the RWD is available and Ford and GM have released new versions of their trucks at scale.

 

[Ashful]

There are enough Cyber Trucks and the road if they were all crap we’d know.

LOL... you do know there are entire YouTube channels dedicated to videos of Fords and Chevys towing Cybertrucks, right? Many of them are unfair, people just like to pick on the new kid, but they haven't been exactly doing themselves a lot of favors either. Many more on their terrible build quality, manufacturer defects, etc.

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Personally, I think they did a pretty good job, for an all-new concept. But it's just that, an all-new concept, there will be much improvement in coming years.

 

[bholler]

LOL... you do know there are entire YouTube channels dedicated to videos of Fords and Chevys towing Cybertrucks, right? Many of them are unfair, people just like to pick on the new kid, but they haven't been exactly doing themselves a lot of favors either. Many more on their terrible build quality, manufacturer defects, etc.

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Personally, I think they did a pretty good job, for an all-new concept. But it's just that, an all-new concept, there will be much improvement in coming years.

That one of the cyber truck trying to pull out of the water onto rock with wet tires would be hard for most ice vehicles as well. Especially since it doesn't look like they aired down. I really doubt many stock ice vehicles could do it either. Hell it can be hard for heavily modified offroad trucks as well. The difference there is the built offroad ones are made to be beat on which is what is needed there. A heavy right foot.