I had to do the same with my wife’s last Audi, and you wouldn’t catch me dead in an Accord. However, I wouldn’t be holding the lowly A4 up as any standard of luxury to be met, begreen. That aforementioned A8L is a serious car, though.... his only problem is he has to drive with his seat up a bit to give leg room to his kid in the back booster seat. That's my definition of an econobox. He doesn't have to do that in his wife's Accord.
Yes, but my original question focuses on whether it's worth buying a 3rd vehicle, a dedicated commuter, for a household with two drivers.isn't commuting where EVs should do what they do the best?
Which is why I'm now eaning more towards a PHEV and charging via connection to the RV.My guess is with a tow vehicle int he picture the balance swings to a gas econobox as I expect few campgrounds are going to have a hookup sized for charging a car.
I like a stick and a manual transmission would allow flat towing behine an RV.Too bad there are no cheap diesels these days so you can share fuel with the camper.
My standard Fiesta gets 41 MPH and was cheap to buy and reliable to date. The automatic Fiestas are crap and that keeps the values low. Still if you don't mind a stick, hard to beat for the price.
Some EVs are reportedly flat towable - the Ford Fusion Energi for one. You do have to run the engine and engage the transmission every 6 hr. or so to maintain driveline lubrication.Electric cars are not flat towable because they have no real 'neutral' that disengages the motor(s). You would need a tow-dolly. Also, they are not 12v chargeable and one would need a whopping inverter to boost to 120 or 240v to do so.
Financially, never. You need to consider the intangible benefits, if you want to make any case for a 3rd vehicle in a two-driver household.Yes, but my original question focuses on whether it's worth buying a 3rd vehicle, a dedicated commuter, for a household with two drivers.
No one vehicle can do all things well. Were now up to 4 vehicles again,with 2 drivers in the household. You only live once!Financially, never. You need to consider the intangible benefits, if you want to make any case for a 3rd vehicle in a two-driver household.
Trust me, I have looked at this from all angles, even including some pretty insanely bad MPG's for the vehicle theoretically removed from commuter duty.
As usual, I've now complicated matters more with my realization that I may want this car also to serve as a "dinghy" behind an RV.
I rigged our 2004 VW Jetta Wagon_TDI for flat towing behind our 29' Workhorse chassis Winnebago... I can't share fuel between the two, but that doesn't stop me from dragging the 1.9L diesel powered station wagon along for the trip... The V8 in the Workhorse barely notices it's even back there. 7mpg to 8mpg is consistently what I get bringing the kitchen, the bath, a sofa, a dinette and two slides along. When we replaced my wife's 06 TDI with a 2013 earlier this year, we specifically chose the 6 speed manual, so we can rig it to tow behind the RV if anything ever happens to the 2004.Too bad there are no cheap diesels these days so you can share fuel with the camper.
Of course. Those are the “intangible benefits” to which I was referring. It would be disingenuous of me to suggest anyone have only one vehicle, I have pretty much always owned multiple, but I’m under no false impression that buying another vehicle is going to somehow save me money.No one vehicle can do all things well. Were now up to 4 vehicles again,with 2 drivers in the household. You only live once!
I did those same calculations, your right ,its not even close.Of course. Those are the “intangible benefits” to which I was referring. It would be disingenuous of me to suggest anyone have only one vehicle, I have pretty much always owned multiple, but I’m under no false impression that buying another vehicle is going to somehow save me money.
As the owner of both the bolt and a volt and tesla which one is more roomy inside. Leg room, elbow room ect. Im 6-3, 235lbs and even in my 2015 full size GMC truck the driver seat area is surprisingly cramped.This is the vehicle perfect mix for us. And the icing on the cake is that the Bolt and the Tesla get their electrons from our 12.3kW solar PV system. No stops at gas stations, no smelly gas fumes, and our small contribution to keeping planet Earth healthy.
The Bolt would not be a problem for you in height or legroom, but it might feel a little narrow sideways. The volt would be a tad cramped IMO.As the owner of both the bolt and a volt and tesla which one is more roomy inside. Leg room, elbow room ect. Im 6-3, 235lbs and even in my 2015 full size GMC truck the driver seat area is surprisingly cramped.
You get what I was saying, it's the materials and fit and finish that makes these cars "econoboxes". I think small EV hatchbacks naturally lend themselves to enjoyable driving due to their size and weight (specifically lots of it down low). Narrow hard tires make for a lively experience as well if the traction nannies can be disengagedWelp, I have had a gen 1 LEAF, a 2017 Bolt EV and now a 2015 Volt.
They are all cars whose fit and finish feel cheap, but whose driving dynamics feel really nice/fun, not cheap at all. The Bolt was the best of the three, and the most expensive.
I suspect Jim's Model 3 blows it away.
Every Volt owner I've met loves them. By all accounts the driving dynamics for all the GM electrified vehicles are quite good. I'd love a spark EV with that monster torque!Indeed Spacebus. But having driven small ICE cars, I am saying something different. EV drivetrains just feel more luxe, more fun, more man-machine fusion, and are more pleasant (quieter, less smelly, less motion sickness inducing) across the board.
So I have never really cared about finish, but I now am an EVangelist... I can never go back to an ICE drivetrain. The Volt is not really compromising that....the drivetrain is still 100% electric when I am in 'gas mode' and the driving dynamics are unchanged (the traction battery is used as a buffer for max power/acceleration, even when 'depleted'). There is just this slightly annoying thrum under the hood on long roadtrips.
Since we are almost in the same neighborhood, I’m tempted to put you behind the wheel of a 500 hp ICE, and see if I can make you eat those words. You’re within 100 miles of me, so I think I can just make it there on one tank of gas. [emoji14]I now am an EVangelist... I can never go back to an ICE drivetrain.