Chimney pipe vs Stove Pipe (total new guy question)

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Mike Riddle

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Oct 17, 2010
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Eastern KY
New guy here and new to wood burning .. (my family burned wood for heat when I was a young boy but I have never heated with wood so I am trying to learn as I go).

I have been gathering items needed to install a second hand wood stove (2015 Magnolia from US Stove).

I bought a kit from SELKIRK that has an 18" HT pipe with the supporting arms to go through the slightly vaulted ceiling of our mobile home with a tin roof.

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I am told that same pipe is best to be the exernal chimney, but can I also use that stainless pipe below the joint to connect to the stove itself ?

Would an uninsulated stove pipe be a better choice ?


Thanks
Mike
 

philaphire

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Sep 24, 2006
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Blue Bell, PA
Welcome to the joy that is wood burning. Is your stove mobile home approved? Do a search here for mobile home installations as I believe there are more safety concerns in those applications.
 

Pagey

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Nov 2, 2008
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Though you can use Class A (stainless steel) UL 103 HT pipe as your connector pipe, it's pretty pricey and most don't run it from the stove to the support box. Knowing that you are undertaking a mobile home installation, please carefully read the stove's manual. Most, if not all, mobile home installations require: double wall connector/stove pipe (this is black pipe with an inner stainless steel section) rather than single wall connector/stove pipe; greater clearances to combustibles (CTCs); outside air kit (OAK); the stove unit to be bolted to the floor.

Again, be sure to read your stove's manual and all other relevant manufacturers' manuals (stove pipe, chimney pipe, etc.).
 

Mike Riddle

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Oct 17, 2010
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Eastern KY
Thanks for the quick responses and advice !

Yes my stove is mobile home approved with double wall pipe and the outside air kit which I will install.

I have checked and will exceed the clearance to combustibles by 50%.

I was just checking to be sure that the exterior type of pipe would be as safe in use and not cause any issues. The difference in cost was about $30 and I preferred not having a joint inside (1 @ 3' and 1 @ 1' for a 4' total).
 

Pagey

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The only "issue" I would foresee would be connecting the Class A to the flue collar on the stove. I'm not sure if Class A will mate to the flue collar or not. You'll find that most manufacturers tell you to put 3 screws per connection. Not saying you can put a screw into Class A, as I am not a dealer/installer, but it is something to consider. I would personally go with double wall connector/stove pipe and meet or exceed all the CTCs. Anyway, food for thought. Additionally, I'm fond of the black connector pipe matching the black stove. :lol:
 

sixman

Feeling the Heat
Apr 12, 2010
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Central Texas
I don't see how the difference in price between double wall stove pipe and Class A stainless chimney to the ceiling could only be $30???
 

Mike Riddle

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Eastern KY
Pagey said:
The only "issue" I would foresee would be connecting the Class A to the flue collar on the stove. I'm not sure if Class A will mate to the flue collar or not. You'll find that most manufacturers tell you to put 3 screws per connection. Not saying you can put a screw into Class A, as I am not a dealer/installer, but it is something to consider. I would personally go with double wall connector/stove pipe and meet or exceed all the CTCs. Anyway, food for thought. Additionally, I'm fond of the black connector pipe matching the black stove. :lol:
I may end up going the stove pipe route if I can't get the Class A to mate to the stove.

My flue kit came with a connector for black stove pipe so I will have that option.

If I could use it I was planning to paint the outside of it flat black with high temp paint.
 

Mike Riddle

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sixman said:
I don't see how the difference in price between double wall stove pipe and Class A stainless chimney to the ceiling could only be $30???

From memory .. I was comparing the cost of one 4' joint of Class A stainless about $100 to one 3' and one 1' section of the black double wall at about $65-70. Was ACE HARDWARE on-line.
 

sixman

Feeling the Heat
Apr 12, 2010
257
Central Texas
I must have been taken then because my class A double wall was way more than $100 a stick.
 

Pagey

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Nov 2, 2008
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There are two types of double wall, essentially: double wall stove/connector pipe (the black stuff), and double wall Class A, which should be UL 103 HT rated (usually this is stainless steel). Both have a stainless steel interior. The double wall connector/stove pipe has a CTC of 6" and has an outer, black layer of pipe with a small air gap between it and internal, stainless layer. This air gap serves as insulation. Class A UL 103 HT has a 1" layer of solid insulation (usually) around each side (for a total of 2", which is why an 8" outer diameter Class A will have a 6" inner diameter). It has a 2" CTC.
 

backpack09

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Sep 10, 2007
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Rochester, Mass
That is about what I paid for mine from Aubuchon (like Ace)

Class A pipe is very ugly and huge. The Class A I installed was something like 10" O.D.

I Would recommend an adjustable piece of double wall pipe (not class A) for inside the house.

I paid 100$ for a piece that was adjustable between 6' and 3' from my local stove shop.
 

Mike Riddle

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Oct 17, 2010
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Eastern KY
Backpack09 said:
That is about what I paid for mine from Aubuchon (like Ace)

Class A pipe is very ugly and huge. The Class A I installed was something like 10" O.D.

I Would recommend an adjustable piece of double wall pipe (not class A) for inside the house.

I paid 100$ for a piece that was adjustable between 6' and 3' from my local stove shop.
I was wondering if the class A on the inside would be some safer than the double wall non-class A
 

Pagey

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Nov 2, 2008
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As long as you follow all clearances, you'll be fine with double wall stove pipe. It's a good product and it's tested to meet standards.
 

Mike Riddle

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Eastern KY
Pagey said:
As long as you follow all clearances, you'll be fine with double wall stove pipe. It's a good product and it's tested to meet standards.
I ordered the doublewall smoke pipe.

I guess the length needed to be just at 4 feet. ..

If I am wrong, can the double wall pipe be shortened ?
 

Mike Riddle

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Oct 17, 2010
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Eastern KY
Finally .. install is done !!!


I went with the Selkirk double wall smoke pipe from the chimney to the stove.

Used a thick collar stove adaptor on my US Stove Magnolia 2015.

Went together with just a little bit of metal taken off the bottom pipe.

Snug as a bug.

Now it is low 40s outside.

Furnace has been off for a few hours.

Very warm in here.

I appreciate all the advice (and all the posts I read before I ever posted myself).

Gonna like this wood heat thing.
 

Pagey

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Nov 2, 2008
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Glad to hear you are up and running. How about posting some pics? We love wood/stove pr0n around here.
 

sixman

Feeling the Heat
Apr 12, 2010
257
Central Texas
Need pictures, it is like a drug, love seeing other's install pics.
 

Dakotas Dad

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Mar 19, 2009
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MRiddle said:
Finally .. install is done !!!

Gonna like this wood heat thing.
Pictures or it didn't happen. ;-)
 

Mike Riddle

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Oct 17, 2010
47
Eastern KY
Well I have a few finishing touches left to do before it is totally done.

I want to frame in the stones that I used for the hearth with some hardwood edging of some sort.

I have a collar to install on the upper end of the smoke pipe to cover the crimping.

But here is an oversize photo taken in a darkened room to try and show the fire.

I will replace with a smaller photo later (have company at the moment).




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PJF1313

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Oct 25, 2009
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"Pic was taken during black-out conditions during a Lunar eclipse"

:)
 

Mike Riddle

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Oct 17, 2010
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Eastern KY
Yea but do ya believe that I have a stove now??
 

Dakotas Dad

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I don't know.. looks like one them "bigfoot" pictures...

LOOK!! over there.. did you see THAT??? ahh it's gone now.. you could just see it's eyes glowing in the dark...

Or maybe "Nessie"..

:)
 

Mike Riddle

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Oct 17, 2010
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Eastern KY
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PJF1313

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Oct 25, 2009
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Well, that's better . . .

Dang nice install!! I like the over sized hearth. No "can an ember jump 20 yards and catch my floor of stone on fire!"
 
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