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begreen

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Let's stick to the Covid virus and not international politics.
 

PaulOinMA

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I used the term "xenophobic" on an OBX forum last night. Jeez, did I get jumped on for defending China, when I did no such thing.

People were then telling me that Chinese Smithfield pig farms in NC show that the Chinese government are bioterrorists. It was major league tinfoil hat time and really, really weird. :)
 
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begreen

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Sorry, I just hit reply, and thought I was in the Socialism area. ;em
Understood. I had the same thing happen in that thread to me and had to delete it.
 
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SidecarFlip

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President gave a good address today and of course the market took another dump (which I candidly) am ignoring anyway) because my 401 went south and I'm in for the long haul, whatever that will be, anyway.

I'm more concerned about not contracting the virus right now than anything else and I'm personally doing everything I can to achieve that goal.

Despite that, I'll still farm this year no matter what, well unless I get the virus, then all bets are off. Working on equipment right now, getting tractors and implements ready.
 

Sodbuster

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President gave a good address today and of course the market took another dump (which I candidly) am ignoring anyway) because my 401 went south and I'm in for the long haul, whatever that will be, anyway.

I'm more concerned about not contracting the virus right now than anything else and I'm personally doing everything I can to achieve that goal.

Despite that, I'll still farm this year no matter what, well unless I get the virus, then all bets are off. Working on equipment right now, getting tractors and implements ready.
I haven't had the intestinal fortitude to look at mine.
 

peakbagger

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Jul 11, 2008
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Northern NH
Sadly the Chinese have an additional ongoing epidemic that was handled far worse than CV-19. Its called African swine flu. The mortality for hogs is darn close to 100% once it gets into a farm. Its wiped out half the countries hog population. One of the many downsides to cramming too many people or swine in a small area.

BTW Smithfield in NC had very bad swine farming habits long before the Chinese bought them. They had been buying off state politicians for years to the point where the EPA threatened to take over environmental regulation in the state as the state conveniently ignored the hog and poultry industry for years.

Viruses are always mutating ,thats why the seasonal flu shots have to be changed yearly. No need to weaponize them, the luck of the cosmic draw is all that is needed, poor public sanitation just ups the odds for the cardsto line up on something scary.
 

SidecarFlip

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Heck, this wiped out about 10 years of my 401 so fat. But I'm still alive and so far, virus free and you know something? That is way more important to me than funds I had that I don't now. If I'm dead I cannot use it anyway.
 

Sodbuster

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I just can't help but think theirs something different about this one. It hit Italy harder than China, where it originated. Why? Italy has a very modern health care system. I don't recall, and neither does my 84 year Father, such drastic measures being taken, in his lifetime. The death rate is still lower than Influenza, i guess we'll have to see where they settle out. Hopefully, we can eliminate it, by quarantining the hosts, namely us.
 

bfitz3

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Early on , Indian virologists identifies a protein from the AIDS virus contained in the SARS-Cov-19 virus. It also contains proteins from the SARS virus family. It is quite apparent that this is a man made virus. The mainstream media is owned by four people and that do not want you to know the truth. The only questions we need answered are 1.) Who created this 2) Who is responsible for its release 3) Was it released intentionally. It is very concerning that the AIDS virus is part of this as it has no cure and can lie latent for decades. Folks a vaccine or cure is not really a reality with today’s technology. Prepare for big pharmaceutical companies to be our bedfellows for the foreseeable future. More toxic drugs are going to be offered to us and possibly forced into us than ever before.
Do you realize how much genetic material is common between a human and a banana?
 

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SpaceBus

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I just can't help but think theirs something different about this one. It hit Italy harder than China, where it originated. Why? Italy has a very modern health care system. I don't recall, and neither does my 84 year Father, such drastic measures being taken, in his lifetime. The death rate is still lower than Influenza, i guess we'll have to see where they settle out. Hopefully, we can eliminate it, by quarantining the hosts, namely us.
Because China held back critical data that could have helped Italian Authorities prevent so many from getting sick. The Chinese regime suppressed a lot of data and information coming out about Covid 19. They also waited weeks to tell anyone about it, long after people had already traveled out of China.
 
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begreen

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Because China held back critical data that could have helped Italian Authorities prevent so many from getting sick. The Chinese regime suppressed a lot of data and information coming out about Covid 19. They also waited weeks to tell anyone about it, long after people had already traveled out of China.
S. Korea, Taiwan, Singapore all have stayed on top of this situation, some with large populations in dense areas. Japan has done a pretty good job too. One major difference has been the amount of testing done right away. Perhaps a fundamental difference was they took very quick action. It has been good enough that they have not had to enforce social distancing in most cases. The more important object lesson from Italy is that it can happen like this here too and perhaps for the maybe similar reasons. NY cases are going up quickly.

Here are some other possible reasons for why the outbreak hit Italy:
 
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SidecarFlip

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Fact or fiction, you decide. Today it's hard to differentiate between the two. Too much, shall we call it 'propaganda' always circulating but..

I saw a while ago on PBS that the underlying reason why Italy and Iran (yes,Iran) are having such a high incidence of Covid 19 is both countries allowed Chinese workers in to work on various public works projects and those Chinese workers brought the virus with them. If true sad and if not, just propaganda but the bottom line is both countries are in deep do do.

I saw pictures if the Iranian burial sites. Kilometer long trenches in the ground with a pile of lime behind them, waiting for the deceased to be laid to rest. Not pretty. Put them in, cover with lime to decompose them and put dirt on top.

I just bought an Italian hay rake. Was delivered last week in a crate. Sitting in the barn. I'l letting it sit for a while just in case it didn't come virus free.
 

SpaceBus

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S. Korea, Taiwan, Singapore all have stayed on top of this situation, some with large populations in dense areas. Japan has done a pretty good job too. One major difference has been the amount of testing done right away. Perhaps a fundamental difference was they took very quick action. It has been good enough that they have not had to enforce social distancing in most cases. The more important object lesson from Italy is that it can happen like this here too and perhaps for the same reason. NY cases are going up quickly.
Asian countries are also accustomed to dealing with SARS.
 

mcdougy

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[QUOTE="Medic21, post: 2430753, member: I usually workout on the way home so those clothes go in with it and I take a shower. Only after that do I hug the kids or anything else. Those habits are perfect for now, except I shower before and after the gym

Im very surprised your gym is still open or the fact your still heading there while there's an ongoing pandemic. I think you should really reconsider your normal routine....like everyone else, it's time to wake up and realize this isn't going away unless everyone does their part.
 
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mcdougy

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From my understanding part of the problem with testing in our province is...there's never been a test needed for covid19. So the equipment required is barely existent. In this province, there is none. Initially we had to send all swabs out of province to Winnipeg Manitoba where the most sophisticated equipment is. This caused a 4-7day turnaround time for results. Once the government realized this was not practical they allowed the hospital here to do testing in house. 4 hour results....great.....except the in house equipment is producing false negatives. Positives are always correct, but negatives are not. So.....that creates the hospitals to do 2 swabs at a time for each speculated carrier. One gets tested locally and one gets sent back off to Winnipeg.
Talk about complications.......
FWIW my understanding is coming from my wife who is a ICU/CCTC nurse with 25 years exp. Which whom I've never seen so concerned about a health event.
 
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begreen

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Asian countries are also accustomed to dealing with SARS.
There was no SARS in S. Korea , but yes for Taiwan and Singapore, once burned, twice learned. FWIW, we had to deal with H1N1, ebola, SARS and Zika. The difference is that they know contagion is possible and have plans in place so they were quick to mobilize and test. They wasted no time establishing the kind of safe practices that will minimize the opportunity for spillover. They were invested in risk protection and had good supplies to get testing quickly and extensively. We too had invested but this was dismantled. And rather than immediately buying WHO tests to at least buy us time, we insisted in doing it our own way. The first try at that failed costing precious time.
 
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Medic21

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[QUOTE="Medic21, post: 2430753, member: I usually workout on the way home so those clothes go in with it and I take a shower. Only after that do I hug the kids or anything else. Those habits are perfect for now, except I shower before and after the gym

Im very surprised your gym is still open or the fact your still heading there while there's an ongoing pandemic. I think you should really reconsider your normal routine....like everyone else, it's time to wake up and realize this isn't going away unless everyone does their part.
I’m gonna catch it as a Paramedic, I may as well keep myself in shape. It is a very small private gym that is usually empty to 3 or 4 in it when I’m there. Just wipe down before and after using equipment.
 

RockCastile

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Feel free to move this elsewhere but:
If I had a TRILLION dollars to invest in preventing the next catastrophic virus that transmits via the eyes and nose, what would my odds be of finding a collection of geniuses who could invent,
1. A nostril plug device that's 99.9% effective at killing viruses (UV light, some fancy rare earth metal with an electric current running through it, etc, get creative), is comfortable to wear, and causes no restriction to natural breathing.
2. A mouthpiece with a space age gauzy mesh (nanofabric, graphene, again, get creative) that covers the lips, blocks all virus, and is comfortable to wear and does not inhibit talking. Gotta take it out to eat/drink tho.
Remember, I have a TRILLION dollars.
 

begreen

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With a lot of false stories circulating about the coronavirus, here is some fact-checking.

 
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Medic21

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[QUOTE="Medic21, post: 2430753, member: I usually workout on the way home so those clothes go in with it and I take a shower. Only after that do I hug the kids or anything else. Those habits are perfect for now, except I shower before and after the gym

Im very surprised your gym is still open or the fact your still heading there while there's an ongoing pandemic. I think you should really reconsider your normal routine....like everyone else, it's time to wake up and realize this isn't going away unless everyone does their part.
Not mention that if I don’t bring it home the wife is an ER Nurse and Paramedic so she will give it to me.
 

Jason721

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Nov 4, 2017
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At first I thought all this was a bunch of media hype but....I have a daughter and her family living in Germany (military) that we communicate with almost daily.
At first they were order to stay on base..hand washing stations were placed everywhere... only a certain amount of people were allowed in the post office. They watched and made sure you washed your hands before entering. Lines on the floor of the PX keeping people at a 6' distance..then it quickly move to x amount of distance from their home. Now their quarantined to their home. Only one person is allowed out to shop.. if found outside doing other than what your instructed to do you are slapped with a fine. She says...dad you better take your precautionary steps now... its coming.. and when it does it puts the brakes on everything.
she said this to us 3-4 weeks ago.
I see it unfolding for the US now. So far this virus has slowed things waaaaay down.
 

mcdougy

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Apr 15, 2014
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This is from my Cousin who is a Pediatric Infectious Disease Specialist.


“Covid-19 is spreading quickly. I don’t mean this post to sound harsh or rude, but we as a country are at a crossroad. We HAVE to change how we live our daily lives now. PLEASE STAY HOME if at all possible. I understand we all need things from the grocery. If this is the case, try your best to find a way to go without taking your kids in to the store. We know that children frequently have mild or no symptoms with covid-19. This means that your child may be unknowingly spreading the virus to others at high risk.

We know now that covid-19 is worse than influenza at this time. People have ZERO immunity to covid-19 because it is a new strain of coronavirus. There is no vaccine. There is no great treatment. Yes, various drugs are being trialed, but we don’t know yet how effective these are.

I am not advocating that we all live in a state of high anxiety about covid-19. I am asking that we all use our God given brains and common sense to do what we can to slow the virus. It will pass. We will get through this as China is now. BUT...how many lives will be lost along the way? Please be smart and think twice about your daily activities. “

I can say people are being sensible from a standpoint of 911 calls being down 60% in our area. Let’s hope it stands and people continue to use common sense and remain home with minor illnesses. That is the key right now.
This is the information ALL people need to remember. Your job is to do everything possible to stop transmission. As a paramedic your highly valuable, but will be of no value if you contract it. Your trained and equipped with means necessary to protect yourself and the VULNERABLE.
Thanks for your service we need it.
 
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