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SidecarFlip

Minister of Fire
The announcement that they were closing the stores last week had exactly opposite the desired effect, a 2-day jam-packed rush on the stores, which likely created more risk of exposure than just leaving them open ever could have. People who went to be part of that "last call" reported it was elbow-to-elbow people, all day for two days.

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I haven't seen any "stay inside" orders, only "no socializing" orders. I was outside all day, both yesterday and today, and I can't see how I'd get anything mowing or gardening.
Don't believe you can contract it by being outside and working, I do the same with working on equipment. I believe it has to be 'close contact' with another person. I guess sex is out too, not that it matters much at my age....:p
 
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SidecarFlip

Minister of Fire
Lack of alcohol would not be the issue.
22:00, for the retail market.

I take a very dim view of e plants in general. I like the term the guy uses 'ethanol plant. That is incorrect. It's an alcohol plant. The alcohol is blended with gasoline at the refinery to produce e-fuel. They don't do anything but distill corn liquor and the by product is the mash or DDG which makes a marginal cattle feed.

We had one here, it's defunct, fine with me.
 

Seasoned Oak

Minister of Fire
Oct 17, 2008
7,071
Eastern Central PA
Fresh air and sunshine is good for the soul and body and viruses hate it. Just avoid the crowds.
Time to get some work done. All this anxiety will not be completely gone until there is a vaccine and that may be quite some time.
 
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SidecarFlip

Minister of Fire
Michigan governor just locked down the entire state starting tomorrow at midnight. Only essential services can remain open. In my humble opinion, it's going to get worse, much, much worse. People for some strange reason are taking this very lightly. Bottom line is, it will KILL you and the death isn't pleasant as you drown in your own fluids.

Too bad people cannot self regulate, really VERY bad. Lots of people are going to expire, I don't want to be one.
 

mcdougy

Feeling the Heat
Apr 15, 2014
427
ontario
Just happened here in Ontario
Closing of all non essential business. Starts Wednesday.
We are in worse shape than they are letting the public know IMO. Countries are starting to hoard domestic supplies, stopping export of essential goods.
 

Highbeam

Minister of Fire
Dec 28, 2006
17,237
Mt. Rainier Foothills, WA
Everybody is essential it seems. The boss wants their profit so they are wanting to call the employees essential. We are seeing this with all construction.

How hard do you want to argue that your role is not essential?

So far, each state order I’ve seen has a list of industries deemed closed. A custom list surely influenced by lobbyists.
 
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SidecarFlip

Minister of Fire
Everybody is essential it seems. The boss wants their profit so they are wanting to call the employees essential. We are seeing this with all construction.

How hard do you want to argue that your role is not essential?

So far, each state order I’ve seen has a list of industries deemed closed. A custom list surely influenced by lobbyists.
Always politics ingrained in everything. Amazing isn't it. Like I said before, all about common sense. Common sense is sadly lacking today. Putting politics and the almighty buck before lives is a sad fact of government in general today.

In my view, we are on just the cusp of what is going to happen.
 
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kennyp2339

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Feb 16, 2014
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Always politics ingrained in everything. Amazing isn't it. Like I said before, all about common sense. Common sense is sadly lacking today. Putting politics and the almighty buck before lives is a sad fact of government in general today.

In my view, we are on just the cusp of what is going to happen.
Excellent point, working for the power co. I moved my office to my house today, switched vehicles, now my house is a mini satellite station, I can pretty much do everything for here, or go directly to the field for trouble / repairs. This is just to remain isolated, if I get sick then its easier to see who I came in contact with as far as power co workers.
Funny today, driving home I was yet again stuck in Saturday shopping type of traffic, still may cars at any business that is open, btw I glad to see my local florist is essential, sign is lite, flowers are essential..not
 

SidecarFlip

Minister of Fire
You are 'essential' until you get the virus. Then you become a statistic and you wish the hell you didn't play the 'essential' game and just hope you don't become a statistic. I know I could be 'essential', I farm but my well being is all that is essential to me. I can make that choice without any government intervention on my part, I'm a big boy.
 
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SidecarFlip

Minister of Fire
Same here. Good to live in a non populated area. Farm life isn't all bad. In fact it's pretty darn good in my opinion.
 

Ashful

Minister of Fire
Mar 7, 2012
15,727
Philadelphia
Everybody is essential it seems. The boss wants their profit so they are wanting to call the employees essential. We are seeing this with all construction.
I've seen some PA companies rather creatively reclassifying themselves as one of the "essential" exempt-from-closure business categories. I do not believe the state yet has a method for defining and enforcing the various classifications they have created, for businesses that can stay open versus those that must close.
 
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NickW

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Oct 16, 2019
196
SE WI
In this day and age of P.C., isn't everybody essential so nobody gets a hurt feeling from being labeled non-essential...? ;)

Pardon a moment of lightheartedness...
 

SidecarFlip

Minister of Fire
Everyone is essential until they get it..... Remember, there is NO cure, there is NO vaccine and even those that recover have decreased lung capacity and permanent lung scarring.

My wife and I are all about being hermits. No issue with us. With us, it is ESSENTIAL we don't get it.

Bad thing is, you can beat it and get it again, no guarantee you won't.
 

peakbagger

Minister of Fire
Jul 11, 2008
5,300
Northern NH
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Everyone is essential until they get it..... Remember, there is NO cure, there is NO vaccine and even those that recover have decreased lung capacity and permanent lung scarring.

Bad thing is, you can beat it and get it again, no guarantee you won't.
I would like to see the basis for your claims with respect to "even those that recover have decreased lung capacity and permanent lung scarring" and "Bad thing is, you can beat it and get it again, no guarantee you won't"

One of the significant issues with the pandemics spread is that many of those who catch it are asymptomatic which means they have no symptoms and are therefore very efficient carriers. The very rough numbers I have seen are 80% of those infected with it are in this group. These people are going to recover without even knowing they had it. Perhaps you meant to say even the minority of the population with a severe case that recover may have decreased lung capacity and permanent lung scarring. Still scary but somewhat more reflective of the current reality. With respect to the" you can beat it and get it again" I think the research consensus is still out on that. The infamous CDC test series only is looking for an active specific CV-19 viral infection, it does not test for evidence of the immune response from someone who has fully recovered therefore not a lot of supported research on if someone who has fully recovered can get it again. That test is apparently being developed but is not yet on the streets.

I agree that following the recommendations to not catch it are essential to try to prevent the spread of it so it does not get into the vulnerable populations and if you need to overstate the risks to the general populations for your own purposes fine but its best not to state it as a fact when its not. Plenty of hype out there no need to repeat it.
 

NickW

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Oct 16, 2019
196
SE WI
When my wife says I am "essentially a pain in the butt" that means I am essential, correct?

Sorry, couldn't resist... I know this is extremely serious, but if I don't laugh I'll cry. There is so much stupidity going on out there right now... TP is still being hoarded. Getting the redneck bidet plans together.
 
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begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
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South Puget Sound, WA
Governor just locked down the state. Essential services only for the next 2 weeks. We have plenty of TP so I didn't check that aisle. Was surprised at how many bare shelves there were in the cat food section.
 

AlbergSteve

Minister of Fire
Dec 11, 2017
840
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Governor just locked down the state. Essential services only for the next 2 weeks. We have plenty of TP so I didn't check that aisle. Was surprised at how many bare shelves there were in the cat food section.
Good luck @begreen.
 
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Medic21

Minister of Fire
Feb 26, 2017
1,000
Northern Indiana
Don't believe you can contract it by being outside and working, I do the same with working on equipment. I believe it has to be 'close contact' with another person. I guess sex is out too, not that it matters much at my age....:p
You can contract if from touching an infevted surface then transmitting it to yourself. It can live on surfaces for upwards of days so you don’t even need contact with a person to get it.

we fog our ambulances once every 24 hours and if we transport a known case the truck is out of service for fogging. That is to kill the bug on the surface. Certain procedures, ventilator, CPAP, nebulizers will aerosolize the virus and make it airborne and our PPE is not very effective in protecting us.

Indiana is locked down. My kids are going to stay with relatives so the wife and I don’t give it to them. My son has Asthma so he is in a high risk category even though I may never show symptoms. Gonna be a long couple weeks.
 

Seasoned Oak

Minister of Fire
Oct 17, 2008
7,071
Eastern Central PA
While the number of cases continues to go up it seems the death rate in the US has slowed. We are at 1.3% . If as many as 80% of the cases have no or mild symptoms and are not tested or included in the numbers the death rate could be greatly exaggerated. Evidence of of some drug successes may be slowing the death rate.
 
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AlbergSteve

Minister of Fire
Dec 11, 2017
840
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And now he's thinking about lifting restrictions. I'm not sure he's living on the same planet as the rest of us.
I wish you luck.
 
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