Deal on an Englander 30-NC?

[SlyFerret]

Hi guys,
Since I've decided not to attempt putting an insert into my factory built Majestic WMC42, I'm back to looking at freestanding stoves. My wife is happier about that, since a free standing stove on the mid level of the house was what she wanted originally anyway.

I've had my eye on the Quadra Fire 3100 step top, but I've come to grips with the fact that while I have wine tastes, I am still on a beer budget.

I've got a line on an Englander 30-NC. I'm waiting to hear back as to if it's still available. The guy is asking $550 for it. It's new, still has the plastic wrap on it, and is still on the shipping pallet.

Is this a good price for this stove? I see that Home Depot has the 30-NCH for a little over ~$1000. What is the difference between the NC and the NCH?

-SF

 

[tradergordo]

Don't think you can beat $550 for a new one, sounds like a good deal. I've never searched around to price it out, but did check out the link to that stove yesterday at overstockstoves.com. $799 shipped (and I think no tax).

Hi guys,
Since I've decided not to attempt putting an insert into my factory built Majestic WMC42, I'm back to looking at freestanding stoves. My wife is happier about that, since a free standing stove on the mid level of the house was what she wanted originally anyway.

I've had my eye on the Quadra Fire 3100 step top, but I've come to grips with the fact that while I have wine tastes, I am still on a beer budget.

I've got a line on an Englander 30-NC. I'm waiting to hear back as to if it's still available. The guy is asking $550 for it. It's new, still has the plastic wrap on it, and is still on the shipping pallet.

Is this a good price for this stove? I see that Home Depot has the 30-NCH for a little over ~$1000. What is the difference between the NC and the NCH?

-SF

 

[Gunner]

I’ve got a line on an Englander 30-NC. I’m waiting to hear back as to if it’s still available. The guy is asking $550 for it. It’s new, still has the plastic wrap on it, and is still on the shipping pallet

Get it now, before it's gone.

 

[Corie]

30-NCH is just the 30 that has been adorned with the proper trim to make it to Home Depot spec's. Otherwise, it is the same model.

 

[babalu87]

Run, dont walk, RUN!

 

[begreen]

It's an awesome find for sure.

But there is a significant size difference between the 3100 and the 30 NC. Where are you going to put this stove? In a 1600 sq ft house, it seems like overkill.

If this is not an issue for you then have cash in hand and the truck at the door.

 

[Corie]

It's definitely overkill in a 1000 sq. ft. house with good insulation.

 

[begreen]

Here's a link to the house plan, 1600 sq ft. split level:

https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/6552/

 

[SlyFerret]

Yep, that's the right thread/floor plan.

It's going to go in the living room. Probably the location in the corner, or possible in the center of the wall between the kitchen and the living room.

I'm we going to cook ourselves out with this stove? I my house is smaller than what it's rated up to, but is it enough smaller that the heat will be very difficult to control?

-SF

 

[begreen]

IMHO, a mid-sized Quad, PE, Lopi, Regency are a better fit. The 30NC is a serious heater.

Is the house is really hard to heat and does it have poor insulation with a lot of heat loss issues?

 

[SlyFerret]

The house is about 10 years old, so it's insulated pretty well.

The next smaller Englander is only rated up to 1500 sq/ft, which is less than what I have. I've always been somewhat suspicious of "up to" ratings on things, as that usually implies best case scenario.

This stove was one of the alternatives to the Quad 3100 that I was looking at, and The price is right. I'm still waiting to hear back as to if it's still available or not, so it may all be a moot point.

-SF

 

[Corie]

The 13NC is still a pretty capable unit. It heats my 1000 sq. ft. house VERY well. I also get honest to goodness 8 hour burns with the firebox filled with hot coals and still producing heat. Of course this takes getting slightly creative with your loading procedure. Whatever you decide, if you buy one of our stoves, I can offer some pretty good tips on how to best run the unit.

 

[SlyFerret]

Corie:

If I understand correctly from posts in other threads that even though the stove is rated "up to" 2,200 sqft, I can control the heat output somewhat by adjusting the size of the load/fires inside, as well as adjusting the air intake. 2,200 sqft is the max output of the stove (and 25% more space than I have), but I would think that running the stove at full tilt all the time isn't necessary (or desired).

I do realize that in order for the secondary burn to ignite, there is of course a certain burn rate that needs to be achieved, but that burn rate isn't wide open, is it?

-SF

 

[TMonter]

Englander needs to make a version of the 13NCL with a side door Corie. I despise mine's loading.

I've also noticed that it doesn't hold a fire as well as ones with a deeper firebox like the 30NCL.

 

[BrotherBart]

The 13NC is still a pretty capable unit. It heats my 1000 sq. ft. house VERY well. I also get honest to goodness 8 hour burns with the firebox filled with hot coals and still producing heat. Of course this takes getting slightly creative with your loading procedure. Whatever you decide, if you buy one of our stoves, I can offer some pretty good tips on how to best run the unit.

Me and Tmonter have a couple of 30s and 13s. Give us dem tips.

 

[Corie]

BB, you're the one who gave me the first tips on the 30, I just modified them slightly. I think you have that figure out better than me!


On the 13, I'd almost have to draw a picture, but just last night I got an 8 hour burn on three huge splits and 3 spacers. Yes, I just spacers. That's the best way to load these small stoves that we make I've found.

 

[MichaelS]

I got an 8 hour burn on three huge splits and 3 spacers. Yes, I just spacers. That's the best way to load these small stoves that we make I've found.

What do you mean by this Corie? Thanks

 

[SlyFerret]

I just talked to the gentleman on the phone. The stove is still available.

I'm going to be picking it up on Sunday. Not a bad score!

-SF

 

[Crisnnik]

I got an 8 hour burn on three huge splits and 3 spacers. Yes, I just spacers. That's the best way to load these small stoves that we make I've found.

What do you mean by this Corie? Thanks

I too am very curious. I will say my 13 heats my 1800 square foot house very nicely. The floor with the stove was at 79, while upstairs stayed at 74; this while the outside air temps were around 28. I originally bought the 30, but exchanged it after I realized how much room it needed in the house. I am pleased with the 13 - but I would LOVE to have some of those tips as well!

 

[synthnut]

My house may not need the 30 , and I'd sure like to hear and see those tips on the 13 also ....Corie's the man !!......Jim

BTW ....For those of you running the 13-NC ....What burn times are you getting ?.....Thanks, Jim

 

[begreen]

I want to know when Corie's gonna announce a new stove in between the 13 and the 30. It would be great to see a 22NC.

 

[myzamboni]

I was thinking the 21NC and nickname it the Blackjack.

 

[begreen]

I like it, I can see brother bart dealing up a pair of these.

 

[synthnut]

Black Jack 21 ....Yeah , that's the ticket !!......

 

[Corie]

I was thinking the 21NC and nickname it the Blackjack.

Heyyyyyyyyyyy, I like that!



So, basically I fill my stove with wood identically to the way (or as close to identical) that the EPA test load is dropped in.

I start with a good coal bed, then make the V down the middle so the dog box can blow down the valley.

Then I put one horrifically large split in the back, two smaller ones in the front of layer one.

Then, 4 hardwood spacers 1"x1" lay across the first layer, then I pack the two largest splits I can possible find on top of these spacers.

Then I shut the door, air control wide open and wait until wood chars and stack gas temps are in the 800's or better on my thermometer.

Then I set it where I want it. I could take pictures, if anyone was that interested.