DPX and EKO

[Coog]

My question is simple I think. I have been out of the gasification boiler loop and I just now realized that EKO has a new "attack DP" series. Is the Attack DP just a change in controls? I do not see where the burn times have changed or really the price. Could someone enlighten me?

 

[maple1]

Link?

 

[BoilerMan]

EKO has nothing to do with ATTACK. Attack is it's own brand, has a suction fan (negative pressure fire chaimber).

I have an Attack DPX45, if you are interested I can go into further detail.

TS

 

[BoilerMan]

Unless there had been some kind of buy-out................ Never know......

TS

 

[Coog]

(broken link removed to http://newhorizonstore.com/Products/90-attack-dp-boiler.aspx)

I assumed since they were coming from the same supplier that they were the same make. Poor assumption on my part. Can I change my question mister or miss moderator or shall we close this and start over?

I am still interested in the Dpx versus the EKO.

 

[stee6043]

I think the primary difference between these units will be in the controls. The EKO line is a no-nonsense, simple and relatively low tech gasser. The Attack has a more sophisticated controls setup and I believe it may do on-the-fly air adjustments, but someone else will have to confirm or deny that. I don't think you can go wrong with either model for what it's worth. The Attack is newer so you will see a smaller user base out on the interweb...

 

[rkusek]

Eko is made in Poland. Attack is Czech made totally different company, right boilerman? I don't believe it has any lambda sensors. Main difference is how the fan works like TS stated above.

 

[Coog]

Price wise they are very close. Curious to hear the functional differences.

 

[ewdudley]

Eko is made in Poland. Attack is Czech made totally different company, right boilerman? I don't believe it has any lambda sensors. Main difference is how the fan works like TS stated above.

For all the difference it makes, Attack is from Slovakia. They make DPX models with and without lambda control.

I think Vigas is also from Slovakia (different company), and also comes with or without lambda control.

 

[Coog]

For all the difference it makes, Attack is from Slovakia. They make DPX models with and without lambda control.

I think Vigas is also from Slovakia (different company), and also comes with or without lambda control.

So is the Lambda control system system an option for an additional cost?

 

[ewdudley]

So is the Lambda control system system an option for an additional cost?

Now that you mention it, maybe not. There's such a thing as an Attack DPX with lambda control as an option, but I don't know if anyone imports them.

 

[BoilerMan]

My understanding of the Attack gasification line.
Made in Slovakia (mine is)
DP series: downdraft gasser with no firetube HX
DPX Standard: downdraft gasser with turbulated firetubes with mechanical gauges and thermometers

DPX Profi series: downdraft gasser w/ turbulated firetubes with RK2001AT2 controller for flue gas temp monitoring and various other electronic setpoints (what I have)

DPX lambda: downdraft gasser with turbed firetubes w/ oxygen sensor for primary and secondary air adjustmants, closed loop combustion control

All boilers are UL listed, and are solely imported by newhorizion.

FWIW I have been very impressed with the boiler's construction and overall build quality. I removed sheetmetal and scoped every place I could before fireing or connecting any piping to mine. Very heavy steel and excellent welding throughout. This is first hand expierence. I would not get any boiler that employed a positive pressure fan, there is still some smoke rollout with mine, wouldn't want to think what it's be like w/o an induced draft.

TS

 

[maple1]

Just looked at the link. Those are some good prices.

I think I would jump on a DPX45 for less than a $200 difference. Hard to beat a boiler that size with induced draft & flue temp sensor controls for less than $5k. And Boilermans experiences would put the icing on the cake.

 

[Coog]

Just looked at the link. Those are some good prices.

I think I would jump on a DPX45 for less than a $200 difference. Hard to beat a boiler that size with induced draft & flue temp sensor controls for less than $5k. And Boilermans experiences would put the icing on the cake.

Your not a sales guy are ya? Have to ask. If not, I am awfully persuaded.

 

[maple1]

No sales guy here - trust me. Just spent a whole pile of time in the last two years here & all kinds of other places reading up on this stuff, and a whole pile of money last year on my new unit.

 

[jeffesonm]

This a very helpful thread. Does this list seem about right? I'm sure there are a few missing too...


Positive Pressure: EKO, Tarm, Econoburn, Paxo

Negative Pressure: BioMass, Attack, Froling, Effecta, Garn, Woodgun

 

[BoilerMan]

This a very helpful thread. Does this list seem about right? I'm sure there are a few missing too...


Positive Pressure: EKO, Tarm, Econoburn, Paxo

Negative Pressure: BioMass, Attack, Froling, Effecta, Garn, Woodgun

I think you are correct. You forgot Varmabaronen, I think they are all negative pressure.

TS

 

[stee6043]

This a very helpful thread. Does this list seem about right? I'm sure there are a few missing too...


Positive Pressure: EKO, Tarm, Econoburn, Paxo

Negative Pressure: BioMass, Attack, Froling, Effecta, Garn, Woodgun

The Garn will be positive pressure...

 

[Fred61]

Advice from someone who has had both: Don't let positive or negative pressure influence your choice.

 

[stefan66]

when you are talking about positive or negative pressure are you referring to
the firebox or the water jacket?

 

[Fred61]

Firebox

 

[Floydian]

Lots of satisfied owners of each.

I am very happy with my induced draft boiler. No gaskets on any of the three doors and the doors are always cool to the touch. I can reload whenever and I never have to worry about smoke rolling out of the firebox.

The Garn will be positive pressure...

I'm thinking you meant negative pressure for the Garn, right? I have seen only one Garn in person and it was definitely pulling air through the firebox as apposed to pushing.

Noah

 

[Coog]

Lots of satisfied owners of each.

I am very happy with my induced draft boiler. No gaskets on any of the three doors and the doors are always cool to the touch. I can reload whenever and I never have to worry about smoke rolling out of the firebox.



I'm thinking you meant negative pressure for the Garn, right? I have seen only one Garn in person and it was definitely pulling air through the firebox as apposed to pushing.

Noah

You install is in the house? How tall is you stack? Does that help with smoke leaking in the house?

I like the no gasket thing. Do you loose any efficiencies with the induced draft?

 

[Floydian]

You install is in the house? How tall is you stack? Does that help with smoke leaking in the house?

Yep, installed in my basement right next to my storage tank. Wouldn't have it any other way! I have about 21 feet of class A chimney but the biggest factors in smoke leaking out for some boilers seems to be loading the firebox at the wrong time and leaky gaskets. Both of which can be solved. One thing I like about my Vedolux is the design takes these things out of the operators hands.

Do you loose any efficiencies with the induced draft?

As far as combustion efficiency or overall efficiency I don't think forced or induced draft really makes any difference. As far as fan motors, they like to push more than they like to pull so it will take less watts with a forced draft boiler than with an induced draft design but that is not something I have seen factored into overall efficiency.

Noah

 

[maple1]

You install is in the house? How tall is you stack? Does that help with smoke leaking in the house?

I like the no gasket thing. Do you loose any efficiencies with the induced draft?

What do you have for chimney?