ECO-65 1st impressions

[imacman]

No, but I;m working with Fyrebug on a solution, could just be a minor tweak in the settings.

Not doubting Fyrebug's qualifications, but a quick phone call to the company that made/sells it might yield quick results.

 

[hyfire]

Here is a pic of the ignition, maybe I have too much hopper starting feed, opinions?

 

[FyreBug]

Not doubting Fyrebug's qualifications, but a quick phone call to the company that made/sells it might yield quick results.

Well... Fyrebug works for the company that made/sells the unit. If I'm not sure I ask the proper authority

Sorry been away at trade show and just catching a break now. Should make sure you have your igniter air pump is working.

 

[imacman]

Well... Fyrebug works for the company that made/sells the unit. If I'm not sure I ask the proper authority......

OK, that would seem to indicate you're VERY qualified. Carry on.

 

[DexterDay]

Fyrebug is the man when it comes to an SBI unit...

As for the EVL?? 27 feet? You are using 4" correct?

My Enerzone Eurostar starts in under 4 min. They have have a dual auger system and the air pump is a blower up stream from ignitor. There are 2 blowers that are used for burning. One is blown into the pot (combustion blower) and the other sucks it out of the stove (exhaust blower like all stoves have).

Just got it finished and installed today. Replaces a Quad that I had for 5 seasons.

I love mine.

 

[hyfire]

Fyrebug is the man when it comes to an SBI unit...

As for the EVL?? 27 feet? You are using 4" correct?

My Enerzone Eurostar starts in under 4 min. They have have a dual auger system and the air pump is a blower up stream from ignitor. There are 2 blowers that are used for burning. One is blown into the pot (combustion blower) and the other sucks it out of the stove (exhaust blower like all stoves have).

Just got it finished and installed today. Replaces a Quad that I had for 5 seasons.

I love mine.

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What kind of exhaust temps are you seeing under full speed? Yes using 4" EVL is equivalent vent length each 90 or t=5 feet for example, your allowed to go 30' total EVL. The eco-65 uses the same dual augers and air pump, I just seem to have the pellets not go near the igntio so some reason , they stack up more on the left, side, igntior is on the right side...

 

[DexterDay]

Never had it cranked up. This was about 1/3rd up the cursor yesterday (flame pic and exhaust temp of 158°) and here is what my pile looks like over the ignitor.

(Edit: Judging by the pic of my controller, the stove must have just stoppes calling for heat and went into Maintenance burn. Flame was still rather large, but exhaust temp may be skewed)

 

[jtakeman]

Dex, Does yours have a pressure igniter with an air pump?

 

[DexterDay]

I don't think it has an air pump? But it has 2 blowers for combustion. One before the pot (blowing air through the pot) and then the standard exhaust blower that all stoves have that "pull" air through the stove (push it out the exhaust).

Both of these blowers are adjustable to help burn high ash fuels or help a restrictive flue. It also keeps the firebox almost "neutral" pressure. When I open my door, the flame doesn't change because air is being pushed through it. Where any other stove, the flame goes lazy because the stove lost its negative pressure. This also makes the Enerzone less noticeable to gasket leaks and such. A bad door gasket can make a bad burn on a lot of stoves.

Yeah, its another part that can fail. But the positives outweigh the negatives.

Does the eco 65 have an actual air pump? Or is it the combustion blower like on mine?

 

[hyfire]

I don't think it has an air pump? But it has 2 blowers for combustion. One before the pot (blowing air through the pot) and then the standard exhaust blower that all stoves have that "pull" air through the stove (push it out the exhaust).

Both of these blowers are adjustable to help burn high ash fuels or help a restrictive flue. It also keeps the firebox almost "neutral" pressure. When I open my door, the flame doesn't change because air is being pushed through it. Where any other stove, the flame goes lazy because the stove lost its negative pressure. This also makes the Enerzone less noticeable to gasket leaks and such. A bad door gasket can make a bad burn on a lot of stoves.

Yeah, its another part that can fail. But the positives outweigh the negatives.

Does the eco 65 have an actual air pump? Or is it the combustion blower like on mine?

YEs the Eco-65 has an air pump and convection, combustion and exhaust blower. Hit 257F on todays burn on high 1 hr run time, then I decided to scale it back to a lower setting, and it settled in the 230's seemed to stay pretty constant. Chewing up those pellets on high bigtime. Took another 20 minutes to light, when the 2nd igntion cycle starts and fills the burn pot again. Then it ignites right away. If we could fill the burn pot sooner I bet it would start sooner! I need to contact tech support, was too busy today

 

[hyfire]

Hit a new high of 600F above the door and 300 Exh temps hope this is still within specs. I am still fighting the long ignition time still, but manufacturer says its normal.

 

[hyfire]

Well I put 3 bags in, and it looks like its still could hold more, or should I stop at this level?

 

[jtakeman]

That thing is a beast!

Its up to you, If you don't like half empty bags layin around? Only add when it can take a full bag. No harm in filling it to the top though!

 

[hyfire]

True, unless I get a hopper jam then , I will be a while emptying that out...........stove is 425 lbs empty BTW, I'm pretty happy with it except for some minor issues, like its a pellet pig...

 

[Love the Heat]

True, unless I get a hopper jam then , I will be a while emptying that out...........stove is 425 lbs empty BTW, I'm pretty happy with it except for some minor issues, like its a pellet pig...

I'll throw my little .02 cents/canadian.

looking at previous picture of the pot and number of pellets, I get the same.

20 minutes seems long, but what is your mark, 0 being start...is 20 when you consider it to be full strength???
or lighting-up?? Mine starts to light up after the the pot is full (1-2 Min.)and will take up to about 10 minutes to have a good fire. Another thing I noticed is, had my pellet stored in garage with higher humidity level and the startup was a little longer. I now bring 3-4 bags in the furnace room ahead of time and it makes a difference.

You have mentioned that the pot was not firmly pushed-in against the wall, also make sure that it is
sitting tight also, mine wasn't at one time and surely made a difference.

How or which button do you press to get exhaust temp???? First time I've heard of this.

Cheers

 

[hyfire]

I was counting from the time I turned on the stove, until I saw a visible flame, but it varies sometimes its a few minutes and sometimes its really long to start. It takes a good 20-30 minutes after that to get a good flame. You need to press the auger feed prime button and the + heat button at the same time for 2 seconds. The display will stay on even when the stove is off, press again to clear the same way. If you unplug the stove then it clears automatically. I usually run around 250-275 on high and about 210 on med high settings. I don;t like to burn under 200 as creosote can form more at lower temps. The wifi T stat if working well also. I have it set for a tight .5 degree swing otherwise it times out and restarts when idle for a long time with pilot set to auto.

 

[hyfire]

I am glad I bought my $25 magnehelic to see how well the chimney is working, here is a pic I am getting a good reading...

 

[Love the Heat]

I was counting from the time I turned on the stove, until I saw a visible flame, but it varies sometimes its a few minutes and sometimes its really long to start. It takes a good 20-30 minutes after that to get a good flame. You need to press the auger feed prime button and the + heat button at the same time for 2 seconds. The display will stay on even when the stove is off, press again to clear the same way. If you unplug the stove then it clears automatically. I usually run around 250-275 on high and about 210 on med high settings. I don;t like to burn under 200 as creosote can form more at lower temps. The wifi T stat if working well also. I have it set for a tight .5 degree swing otherwise it times out and restarts when idle for a long time with pilot set to auto.

Thx for the info,,,I just noticed in your signature the "modded for clinkerless"

Can you explain in a few words!! I must of missed that thread
Regards

 

[rayterio]

Well, I started the 1st burn on the new ECO-65 and I see some improvements could be incorporated


Cons:
1. Too long of ignition time.
2. Too many clinkers falling into the ash pot upon start up
3. Fan blower speed should be displayed on the screen, your guessing on the setting where it is set.
4. Blower runs on high on shutdown, which is fine but it should go to low then off..
5. Door gasket stuck to the front face and tore at the seam upon 1st start up....


Pros:

1. It burns pretty clean.
2. The blower has a good volume of air
3. Throws out plenty of heat on high
4. Low flue temperatures means; its pretty efficient.
5. Flue temperature display on the panel is nice.


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Hi, I do have an ECO-65 and quite please with it, but I noticed that if I look right down to my door, I can see the flames, meaning that the face of the stove warped under the high heat. Do you have the same problem?

 

[rayterio]

I am glad I bought my $25 magnehelic to see how well the chimney is working, here is a pic I am getting a good reading...

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How did you installed the magnehelic ?

 

[Love the Heat]

Hi, I do have an ECO-65 and quite please with it, but I noticed that if I look right down to my door, I can see the flames, meaning that the face of the stove warped under the high heat. Do you have the same problem?

Hummmm about the door gasket??, hard to believe it's warp but who knows, maybe take a straight edge
and put it on the face of the stove with the door open to verify for sure if it is indeed warped...

 

[hyfire]

I have modded the burn pot to prevent pellets falling down until they burn down, sometimes upon start up the un burnt pellets fall down into the ash pan. I also can tell you how to fix the door problem but its not the door itself, I;m working with SBI for a better fix.. Turn the heat down for now to resolve the issue. Press the auger feed key and plus button, this will show your exhaust temps, keep them around 240 you will be ok. You can tighten the door one turn, as a temp fix.

 

[Love the Heat]

I have modded the burn pot to prevent pellets falling down until they burn down, sometimes upon start up the un burnt pellets fall down into the ash pan. I also can tell you how to fix the door problem but its not the door itself, I;m working with SBI for a better fix.. Turn the heat down for now to resolve the issue. Press the auger feed key and plus button, this will show your exhaust temps, keep them around 240 you will be ok. You can tighten the door one turn, as a temp fix.

I'm missing something on this "auger and plus button"! will this show if I'm not burning pellets???
or do I have to wait that it's in full strenght????
Cheers

 

[hyfire]

I'm missing something on this "auger and plus button"! will this show if I'm not burning pellets???
or do I have to wait that it's in full strenght????
Cheers

You can press the 2 buttons while its running or not, anytime does not matter! Better with it running since the the auger feed can run if you press it before the + button.

 

[hyfire]

You should get a thermometer and put it above the door like my picture this way you can see whats a good temp. I find 400F is OK, but Ive seen 650F on a long extended high burn, and that is HOT! 250 exh temp is what I like to run at though.