Englander Madison Secondary stoves

[jviers6755]

I’m new to this stove I have installed this year, England Madison. This stove has secondary tubes and ceramic baffles in the top of it before the flue collar.

I’ve noticed this stove seems to want to run with very low flue temps (magnetic thermometer about 18” above stove and above my damper) I’m talking it cruses just barely 300°F on a normal burn. Stove temps are 400-600° occasionally higher. (See my previous post)

I can make flue temps higher throwing kindling on and getting it ripping, but it comes right back down to the 275-300 mark. I’ve cleaned my flue and chimney multiple times this season and it’s just coated in stuff.

Chimney is exterior and I know that has a ton of impact. Is there anything else I can do to run this stove more effectively? My previous stove was a warm morning coal stove and I burned 98% wood in it. It was always hungry. Couldn’t get more than a few hours out of a burn. With the damper open the flame would be from the collar all the way to the clean out outside. Pipe was always clean though.

Are there any tricks to maintaining higher, hotter flue temps? Do I need to look more at the draft I have? It didn’t seem to bother the old stove, but as I said you’d never feed that one enough. I haven’t been too impressed with this stove for what it’s worth. I bought it second hand, but it was brand new. Maybe it’s my personal preferences.

 

[begreen]

If this is with a surface mounted, magnetic thermometer on single-wall stove pipe, then that is normal. The flue gases inside are about twice as high or in this case about 600º. One needs to use a probe thermometer to read the actual flue gas temperature.

 

[jviers6755]

If this is with a surface mounted, magnetic thermometer on single-wall stove pipe, then that is normal. The flue gases inside are about twice as high or in this case about 600º. One needs to use a probe thermometer to read the actual flue gas temperature.

True, but my biggest concern is I’m still getting a lot of build up in the pipe. While we are on that topic if I’m reading double on that thermometer when it comes to creosote condensing at 250ish does that apply to the thermometer or 250 actual temp? Anything below 300° on this and most surface thermometers say that’s the “creosote” range.

I’ve never used a thermometer growing up around a stove or until this stove. I know for a fact the last stove would have been maxed out constantly. This is sort of new to me.

 

[begreen]

This may be a case of too much heat loss. What is the flue setup? Masonry chimney or metal? Single-walled stove pipe radiates a lot of heat and can cool down the flue gases considerabley. Where is the flue system getting the worst buildup? Can you post some pictures of the stove and flue system?