ENVI electric wall mount plug in heaters...

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Kahud48

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Jul 25, 2021
25
Bowling Green, KY,
I will guarantee the wiring is getting hot with those things plugged in... I used to install and operate a park and had dealt with this on numerous occasions...

Have you contacted a local company that setup or sells modular homes? A lot of times people will have heat pumps installed but when they order the unit it still comes with a furnace. A lot of times the company's will sell these for next to nothing we used to pay about $900 shipped to our door in Canada and we live way up north so 1/2 of that was shipping. That was for a furnace around 80-90% efficiency. Usually cost us about $500 for a gas fitter to come in and install the unit... What the customers saved in heating costs in 1 year paid for everything.. If you own the place you can take a loan out against your home and get things done right...
The wiring is not getting hot, I feel the cords and the plugs on a daily basis and they are as cold as they can be.
With Covid, we have done good just have these being in stock so we could buy them for this Winter.

Tell me, if the cords/plugs are cold, is not the wiring is also cold in the wall?
And If 500 watts (and they are set on thermostats) over heats the wall wiring then we have a real fire trap of a trailer, correct?
What am I missing here?
And these units also have the 3 prong cords, not the little cheap 2 prong, I would NOT even consider plugging one of those fire hazard heaters up in my home, no way!
 

Kahud48

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Jul 25, 2021
25
Bowling Green, KY,
they look good. did a nice job of placement also. be aware that if you said you lived in a northern state i say buy a oil filled radiator for the cold days but not sure how cold it gets where you are. i believe you said you have 4 if so thats only 2000 watts when it gets cold i think you'll need another 1000 watts. not sure how much they cost but that is two more. sounds expensive to buy. up here in mass we put in 500 watt heaters just for a average size bathroom. anyway nice job;)
Thank you so much, nice to have someone see my situation and compliment me on doing the best I can to take care to heat my home best and safest way I can. Living on fixed income dictates how you have to do things sometimes, no other choice
 
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Kahud48

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Jul 25, 2021
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Bowling Green, KY,
I just checked eheat website and just found out this bit of info. See why I did these and got them way ahead of time? Thank God I bought the other 2 in October or we would not be covered heat wise.....

Temporarily On Backorder - orders shipped on a first come first served basis.
 

fbelec

Minister of Fire
Nov 23, 2005
3,115
Massachusetts
Tell me, if the cords/plugs are cold, is not the wiring is also cold in the wall?
And If 500 watts (and they are set on thermostats) over heats the wall wiring then we have a real fire trap of a trailer, correct?
What am I missing here?
And these units also have the 3 prong cords, not the little cheap 2 prong, I would NOT even consider plugging one of those fire hazard heaters up in my home, no way!
wiring should be ok at 500 watts but you have to figure in the rest of the circuit. if your circuit breakers are ok 15 amps is 1800 watts.
if they are cycling on and off from the thermostat that's even better. if your wall above the outlet or the outlet is warm then yes you have a problem and you should call a electrician right away. don't be afraid of the two prong plug types they are usually all plastic or double insulated. the reason people have fires because of electric heater use is not the unit but it's usually people don't follow the directions. even the permanent wall baseboard heater can start fires if they have either paper on top of them or curtains hanging over them. i have a couple of ceramic square heaters and are suppose to be efficient and all around good heaters. i keep them just incase for me only. i also have a oil filled radiator i lend that if need be because it's safe. even on high it doesn't get burning hot. paper needs over 400 degrees to burn the oil filled radiator doesn't get that hot. the ceramic heaters i have after running it for a few minutes will burn your hand if you put it in front of it.
 

Kahud48

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Jul 25, 2021
25
Bowling Green, KY,
wiring should be ok at 500 watts but you have to figure in the rest of the circuit. if your circuit breakers are ok 15 amps is 1800 watts.
if they are cycling on and off from the thermostat that's even better. if your wall above the outlet or the outlet is warm then yes you have a problem and you should call a electrician right away. don't be afraid of the two prong plug types they are usually all plastic or double insulated. the reason people have fires because of electric heater use is not the unit but it's usually people don't follow the directions. even the permanent wall baseboard heater can start fires if they have either paper on top of them or curtains hanging over them. i have a couple of ceramic square heaters and are suppose to be efficient and all around good heaters. i keep them just incase for me only. i also have a oil filled radiator i lend that if need be because it's safe. even on high it doesn't get burning hot. paper needs over 400 degrees to burn the oil filled radiator doesn't get that hot. the ceramic heaters i have after running it for a few minutes will burn your hand if you put it in front of it.
Right now all 4 heaters are off but when I need to kick them back in, I will check the walls above the plugs and let you know but so far, all I am use to checking is staying really cold, not even a hint of warm
 
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Kahud48

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Bowling Green, KY,
wiring should be ok at 500 watts but you have to figure in the rest of the circuit. if your circuit breakers are ok 15 amps is 1800 watts.
if they are cycling on and off from the thermostat that's even better. if your wall above the outlet or the outlet is warm then yes you have a problem and you should call a electrician right away. don't be afraid of the two prong plug types they are usually all plastic or double insulated. the reason people have fires because of electric heater use is not the unit but it's usually people don't follow the directions. even the permanent wall baseboard heater can start fires if they have either paper on top of them or curtains hanging over them. i have a couple of ceramic square heaters and are suppose to be efficient and all around good heaters. i keep them just incase for me only. i also have a oil filled radiator i lend that if need be because it's safe. even on high it doesn't get burning hot. paper needs over 400 degrees to burn the oil filled radiator doesn't get that hot. the ceramic heaters i have after running it for a few minutes will burn your hand if you put it in front of it.
Yeah, I have had the ceramic ones before, but them being 1500 watt, they have always gotten hot cord/plug and that worried me. So when I found the envi heater, I was new I had to try them. Got the 2 back in July and once I got to use them for a week, ordered 2 more (Oct.).
So far I have no complaints
 

Kahud48

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Jul 25, 2021
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Bowling Green, KY,
Right now all 4 heaters are off but when I need to kick them back in, I will check the walls above the plugs and let you know but so far, all I am use to checking is staying really cold, not even a hint of warm
Got them back on today as temps are dropping and the walls above and beside the sockets are nice and cold :)
 

clancey

Minister of Fire
Feb 26, 2021
1,730
Colorado
i hope I can make sense with these technical electrical questions but it is important for me and I worry about it.. I have a garage with about 5 outlets and I use only three..Now I use for my birdies two oil filled radiator heaters in the coldest of winter and these radiators portable have two buttons with different watts I guess and I only use the lowest first one and turn the dial all the way up for more heat...Now my problem is the first oil filled portable radiator is perfect--cool cord...but the second socket used the same way as the first has a warm plastic plug in the socket when its on at the same time as the first perfect one...Is this amps or something in the box that allows these two sockets to be cool or warm hot and is this second socket dangerous and should I amp up the amps? Sorry for the hard way of asking this question--lol clancey
 
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tlc1976

Minister of Fire
Oct 7, 2012
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Northwest Lower Michigan
i hope I can make sense with these technical electrical questions but it is important for me and I worry about it.. I have a garage with about 5 outlets and I use only three..Now I use for my birdies two oil filled radiator heaters in the coldest of winter and these radiators portable have two buttons with different watts I guess and I only use the lowest first one and turn the dial all the way up for more heat...Now my problem is the first oil filled portable radiator is perfect--cool cord...but the second socket used the same way as the first has a warm plastic plug in the socket when its on at the same time as the first perfect one...Is this amps or something in the box that allows these two sockets to be cool or warm hot and is this second socket dangerous and should I amp up the amps? Sorry for the hard way of asking this question--lol clancey
What happens if you use only one heater in the second socket, and nothing in the first?

If it still gets warm, and you’re not running anything else in the room, then it’s the socket. It should be looked at and replaced. Try using a different socket.

If it doesn’t get warm at the second socket, then two heaters is too much. The garage is probably on one circuit, and the outlets might be wired in a chain from one to the other. So your second outlet might have the load of both heaters passing through it. Everything from there to the breaker box is also taking that load. Possibly whatever you’re running on the third socket, and likely the room light too.

Like has been posted earlier, each heater should be on a separate circuit.
 
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clancey

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Feb 26, 2021
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Colorado
Thank you and I think the two heaters are on the same wire because when I have two going one gets warm and the other doesn't and if just using the one its fine so I will get an electrician to take a look at this---thank you...I even brought the warm plug heater in the house just to see if it would continue to get warm--the plug and it did not..so I need a separate circuit---thanks so much and I will be using just one heater until I get the electrician to fix..may the birdies fluff their feathers and be warm like they do to hold in all the heat..lol thanks again...clancey
 

zrock

Minister of Fire
Dec 2, 2017
1,148
bc
If your going to have a electrician come in and drop you another line have them drop a line for each heater.. Then they are on their own circuits and leave your others open for you to do other things.. Their will not be much of a cost difference in supply's and maybe a hours extra labor
 
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clancey

Minister of Fire
Feb 26, 2021
1,730
Colorado
Thank you and i will do that for I want it to be safe for my birdies (pigeons) out there and not worry at night time when I turn them on ( the heaters two of them)..Keeps my garage about 50 degrees in the morning and does not let the water freeze..I am only using one for now which is fine for pigeons can take cold temperatures anyway. They fluff their feathers up and keep their body heat warm and when you see them on the poles outside they are actually warm but look cold.. I could talk hours about my birdies but I won't here--lol lol...Thank you so much everybody...clancey
 
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fbelec

Minister of Fire
Nov 23, 2005
3,115
Massachusetts
+1 what other have said. if you are using 2 heaters and they are 600 watts each they total 1200 watts if you use 1 heater on high is 1500 watts not to much difference accept if you burn out 1 heater from leaving it running full you have the second one to use. if you use both heaters even on low you could burn the low element out and it won't work. better to use 1 heater and set the thermostat about half way. but here is a second thought. if you are using these heaters so that the water doesn't freeze you can buy a heated water dish or find a small element to put in the water to keep it from freezing. i you get the bowl thats heated it uses the same power as a light bulb instead of heaters. way way cheaper on the electric bill.
 
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clancey

Minister of Fire
Feb 26, 2021
1,730
Colorado
That's very true what you say and I have a few heated water dishes if I want to use them and they work really well but this way I can keep the cords out of the lofting area and plug them (the oil heaters) into the entrance area --double door set up here for safety reasons so that my birdies cannot fly out the main door (some of these birdies are disabled but quicker than one would think). My water containers are fresh everyday and they are on raised feet and this helps me place them down for it is easier on my back because I do not have to bend too far down...I like the loft area to be about 50 degrees and right now I am using one heater on low but when it gets cold i would like to have another one at the other end on low and of course at night I shut all 11 windows and this makes the birdie loft nice and snug.. The loft has insulation in the walls (dry wall) as well as having hard wire guards on the windows over the glass for security reasons from other creatures when I open up the windows. Sort of like hard wire extra windows with frames and a hook to secure it.. I have a separate electric box in the loft and the wire is running to my main house by way of the yard..I am using three slots in the box and I have five that are just vacant with nothing but a metal piece over them..I use solar air vents on the roof for venting.. It would be way much cheaper your way .This set up is only plugged in at night time in the freezing temperatures and cost me about 40 extra dollars a month to heat and also the heaters stay clean being in a separate area with the Christmas music. You make very valid points here and what I am trying to do is outlive my birdies--lol and some of them are 17 years old which is very very old for pigeons...I am losing about 4 or 5 every few years with old age and right now I have 20 birdies left with 28 wooden lofting boxes that are 24x13 high and about 14 wide I guess..(ball park)..These heaters last about four or five years and then I buy some more at the arc store or whenever I see working ones cheap..These two were almost new and I paid 6 dollars a piece for them from the habitat store and they work really well...I am setting up a appointment with my electrician to see what he can do using your guide lines of one wire-one heater per--thanks so much and Have a wonderful holiday season and eat plenty of stuffing...maybe I will decorate a fake Christmas tree for them with some pretty lights too...lol old clancey
 

Kahud48

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Jul 25, 2021
25
Bowling Green, KY,
+1 what other have said. if you are using 2 heaters and they are 600 watts each they total 1200 watts if you use 1 heater on high is 1500 watts not to much difference accept if you burn out 1 heater from leaving it running full you have the second one to use. if you use both heaters even on low you could burn the low element out and it won't work. better to use 1 heater and set the thermostat about half way. but here is a second thought. if you are using these heaters so that the water doesn't freeze you can buy a heated water dish or find a small element to put in the water to keep it from freezing. i you get the bowl thats heated it uses the same power as a light bulb instead of heaters. way way cheaper on the electric bill.
Just got my first full month electric bill and it was $108. 40 which I think is very good!
The Envi heaters do not go above 500 watts, that's the max. On low, 500 watts, on high, 500 watts. It pulls 500 watts ONLY when it is running. They are radiant heaters. These are my full heat source and so far, they are working the way they are supposed to.
They are also warranted for 3 years which is better than most others I have seen out there.

My water pipes are also heat wrapped and the underside of my trailer is well insulated. These little radiant heaters are doing pretty good for us thus far, thank the good Lord above!
 
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zrock

Minister of Fire
Dec 2, 2017
1,148
bc
Expect that bill to triple once it gets cold... I cant remember if you said your furnace was dead or still working somewhat but when it drops to -10 or so out you should let your furnace run.. I usually set mine at 10-15 and let it run when the stove is off during the day and night... This keeps your pipes in the floor and walls from freezing as the heat ducts are run along the pipes just for this reason...
Also now that your using these electric heaters as your main source of heat contact your insurance company and make sure you are covered. You may not be covered the way your policy is set up right now i know in my area your insurance skyrockets if you use wood heat as your primary and policy changes if you use any other source of main heat other than what was installed originally in your trailer... Also have you contacted your insurance and seen if they would cover a new furnace?

Make sure you are covered incase of something going wrong
 
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Kahud48

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Bowling Green, KY,
Expect that bill to triple once it gets cold... I cant remember if you said your furnace was dead or still working somewhat but when it drops to -10 or so out you should let your furnace run.. I usually set mine at 10-15 and let it run when the stove is off during the day and night... This keeps your pipes in the floor and walls from freezing as the heat ducts are run along the pipes just for this reason...
Also now that your using these electric heaters as your main source of heat contact your insurance company and make sure you are covered. You may not be covered the way your policy is set up right now i know in my area your insurance skyrockets if you use wood heat as your primary and policy changes if you use any other source of main heat other than what was installed originally in your trailer... Also have you contacted your insurance and seen if they would cover a new furnace?

Make sure you are covered incase of something going wrong
Mine is good (Ins) if all electric and these heaters are also low watts (covered) They are not a fire hazard like a lot of the 1500 watt ones are. I am still covered on mobile home approved wood heat if I wanted it, but with mine and hubbys health, we just could not see doing the wood and pellets are high here if you get the good kind.

If being down in the 20's for most of the month of Nov. isn't cold, then tell me what is. We have been below freezing for most all of the late Oct/All Nov. so if they haven't gotten a work out, so far, I don't know what to tell you. We have maybe only had a couple nights above freezing and even a few days in the upper 40's. That is almost like our Januarys here,
Oh yes, I also have two big chest freezers, a desktop that is usually always on if I am up, 2 tv's that run for the most part every day I also cook with a portable glass top burner plate, a large countertop (portable oven) a crockpot and two instant pots (you CAN live without a stove/range). We were around the $180 mark last yr. same time and being at $108.40 this yr. tells me a lot! We even have the second freezer now
And as I posted before, all our pipes are elec. heat wrapped (my mobile home still has all its underside intact, no tears, rips or openings and well insulated, as are the walls) and for 12 yrs. now I never had to run water at night, PERIOD! They are no issue with that even when we have hit the teens.
ALSO, my roof is DOUBLE insulated now. I have an a-frame attached to the old roof which is your typical round over aluminum roof with an a-frame metal roof over that.
Could be why these little guys are doing a really good job of keeping us between 65 degrees and 72 degrees inside, so far it hasn't changed that range.

All I can truly say right now, is thank God, it's working and the electric bill is reasonable. Maybe with the price increases on everything now, it was not meant for us to run a 240 heat furnace.
I couldn't imagine how much the 240 would be running us right now! The old one (and being older could have been part of it) would run us near $300 in Jan/Feb
 
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fbelec

Minister of Fire
Nov 23, 2005
3,115
Massachusetts
if your old furnace is all electric and no compressor, oil or gas it will be more because of the duct losses so it's great that you are doing well
 
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