Don't forget expiration of the tax credit as a headwind. Not many manufacturers are as small as Woodstock, being small and laying off people, times are tough.
Found used Progress Hybrid, 400 Miles Away
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Don't forget expiration of the tax credit as a headwind. Not many manufacturers are as small as Woodstock, being small and laying off people, times are tough.
Well, lost the far away one. It was $750! Part of me was afraid of the Too Good to be True possibility. The local non-U haul rental place with pickups for $60 per day had them coming back into availability. I’m neck deep in a hardwood flooring project, so a few days more on this. I was too slow. Could have done the two way trip, but also afraid of getting home with a 700 pound stove on a pickup truck in the driveway. Did I mention I called movers? One outfit wanted $4000 to move it here.
The closer one is $2300 and a 2012 stove, 99 miles away. I’m kind of thinking that at that price by the time I get it here and retrofit the air control, if that is even available at this point, I might as well gamble on getting the new one installed by 12/31 if I can get the tax credit. I guess if I can’t get it by 12/31 that gives used stoves an upper hand.
The closer one is $2300 and a 2012 stove, 99 miles away. I’m kind of thinking that at that price by the time I get it here and retrofit the air control, if that is even available at this point, I might as well gamble on getting the new one installed by 12/31 if I can get the tax credit. I guess if I can’t get it by 12/31 that gives used stoves an upper hand.
Called Woodstock today. Got Loren (Lauren?) on the phone for the first time. I was asking about:
1. if I get a used Progress with door on right, could I bring it to them to switch it to the left. (No. Not without $$$$$$)
2. If I switch my Progress order to an Absolute, can they build that for me in time for the tax credit.
So it turns out they have a very healthy stack of orders for the Absolute Steel right now, which they are working through. They could build me one but, it actually wouldn’t speed up the timing of my stove’s delivery. They are busy building those.
She also said they are starting to build the Progress stoves that are ordered. They just can’t put a label on them. They are like 10 complete stoves into their pile of orders. So it seems very likely they will build mine pretty soon, since I’m number 30. It’s all up to the air traffic controllers whether the government opens. (She also told me that before the shutdown it was basically down to a signature on the cert).
I also asked about the Progress in my space, describing my place in great detail. She said the Progress would be fine in here.
I forgot to ask about the nature of the heat blast from the back, and whether I should add a heat shield. My hearth has a sheet of granite behind the stove. My Jotul without a heat shield focuses heat into one really hot spot behind the stove. I’m afraid of the granite actually cracking because of the intensity of heat in that one spot vs how quickly it diffuses through the stone, one large sheet of stone. (I wouldn’t be worried if it were a bunch of smaller stones). So I put a slab of soapstone behind the Jotul to catch that. Spouse is not as fond of the slab of soapstone as I am. Maybe I’ll call back and ask.
Most encouraging and connecting feeling contact with Woodstock I’ve had. I complemented her on her customer service and knowledge. She said, “I should be, I’ve been here for twenty years!”
1. if I get a used Progress with door on right, could I bring it to them to switch it to the left. (No. Not without $$$$$$)
2. If I switch my Progress order to an Absolute, can they build that for me in time for the tax credit.
So it turns out they have a very healthy stack of orders for the Absolute Steel right now, which they are working through. They could build me one but, it actually wouldn’t speed up the timing of my stove’s delivery. They are busy building those.
She also said they are starting to build the Progress stoves that are ordered. They just can’t put a label on them. They are like 10 complete stoves into their pile of orders. So it seems very likely they will build mine pretty soon, since I’m number 30. It’s all up to the air traffic controllers whether the government opens. (She also told me that before the shutdown it was basically down to a signature on the cert).
I also asked about the Progress in my space, describing my place in great detail. She said the Progress would be fine in here.
I forgot to ask about the nature of the heat blast from the back, and whether I should add a heat shield. My hearth has a sheet of granite behind the stove. My Jotul without a heat shield focuses heat into one really hot spot behind the stove. I’m afraid of the granite actually cracking because of the intensity of heat in that one spot vs how quickly it diffuses through the stone, one large sheet of stone. (I wouldn’t be worried if it were a bunch of smaller stones). So I put a slab of soapstone behind the Jotul to catch that. Spouse is not as fond of the slab of soapstone as I am. Maybe I’ll call back and ask.
Most encouraging and connecting feeling contact with Woodstock I’ve had. I complemented her on her customer service and knowledge. She said, “I should be, I’ve been here for twenty years!”
Yeah Lorin is the real deal, she’s helped me with my rebuild and many questions over the years. I think she’s the plant manager now.
The granite itself can take the heat, but it will conduct it to what sits behind it unless isolated by an air gap or board providing insulation. What is behind the granite stone? How is it mounted?
The granite is resting on the floor of course and then against metal on the back. When we moved, it was concrete board on those metal not-stud things, and fake thin bricks mortared to the concrete board. I tore all that out except the metal clips, semi metal studs or whatever you’d call them.. Behind is empty space with 3-5 ish inches to brick chimney and then that plus chimney distance to the wall for the space where the chimney is not. The metal clips mount to a beam at about 5’ 4” height, and another slab of granite rests on that beam up to the ceiling at about 10 feet high. It’s been 17 years since I tore the old stuff out (myself) and then hired the granite placement, so I don’t remember for sure if the concrete board is still there behind the granite or not. Could look into there through a hatch, but it’s too late in the evening to do that.
IDK how different granite is from soapstone. My old Tulikivi had a tall firebox. I would just let the daily fire rip, often with poplar. At the top of the firebox was a thick slab of soapstone with outlets on the side for the smoke to go down the outside the firebox and against the outside walls. Basically the heat of the very hot fire went straight up and slammed into that big soapstone slab. Built that 40 (edit. I had typed 25, but no, it was 40) years ago, but I kind of remember that slab might have been the heaviest piece of the whole stove — thick. So, different material, soapstone, not quite as expansive as the granite, and probably at least twice as thick. But man did it have some heat slamming against it. I don’t know if nobody builds a stove like that out of granite instead of soapstone because soapstone has a higher heat capacity, or if it’s because granite couldn’t take it. In any case I guess that’s why I don’t worry about the slab of soapstone leaning against the granite between granite and stove. I know it can take anything.
IDK how different granite is from soapstone. My old Tulikivi had a tall firebox. I would just let the daily fire rip, often with poplar. At the top of the firebox was a thick slab of soapstone with outlets on the side for the smoke to go down the outside the firebox and against the outside walls. Basically the heat of the very hot fire went straight up and slammed into that big soapstone slab. Built that 40 (edit. I had typed 25, but no, it was 40) years ago, but I kind of remember that slab might have been the heaviest piece of the whole stove — thick. So, different material, soapstone, not quite as expansive as the granite, and probably at least twice as thick. But man did it have some heat slamming against it. I don’t know if nobody builds a stove like that out of granite instead of soapstone because soapstone has a higher heat capacity, or if it’s because granite couldn’t take it. In any case I guess that’s why I don’t worry about the slab of soapstone leaning against the granite between granite and stove. I know it can take anything.
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A floating granite slab could easily take anything a wood stove could radiate. Granite is formed from the slow cooling and solidification of magma deep underground, which allows large crystals to develop. It primarily consists of quartz, feldspar, and mica. What might crack it is if it was captive so that it couldn't expand/contract with heat changed.
Yes, probably true, and true about the floating vs captive. Good point. As far as the geological origins though, rather different. When the granite is forming, it’s not in an inch thick sheet — and it’s not all cool and then suddenly developing a hot spot. I guess this slab is mostly quartz, but I wonder if there are variations in density and strength, as the quartz is pretty splotchy, some big pinkish splotches within the more mottled background.
It’s also different from soapstone (in many ways I guess), but it’s interesting that the big granite slab seems to develop a concentrated hot spot, while the soapstone slab I have there seems to disperse the heat and not hold it in a concentrated spot.
It’s also different from soapstone (in many ways I guess), but it’s interesting that the big granite slab seems to develop a concentrated hot spot, while the soapstone slab I have there seems to disperse the heat and not hold it in a concentrated spot.
Rearscreen
Minister of Fire
I personally believe in Woodstock, because of my experience with their product. I would offer free
services to them in my field as a video producer. However, they seem to be doing quite well by word of mouth.
Today: cold and rainy. At 325º where my stove top thermometer sits, time to engage the cat and close the newly installed updated air intake completely. Temp climbs to 400º for hours. All good.
services to them in my field as a video producer. However, they seem to be doing quite well by word of mouth.
Today: cold and rainy. At 325º where my stove top thermometer sits, time to engage the cat and close the newly installed updated air intake completely. Temp climbs to 400º for hours. All good.
Dieselhead
Minister of Fire
I emailed with the NH guy a bunch. He did say it was negotiable as I was giving up on it. I gave up on that one because: age + price + right hand door + he doesn’t have any mechanical way to load it, only brute force. We could deal with a right side door, but much less nice for a couple reasons. Left side door is what we’ve got on order. Though indeed, $2000 is more tempting than the $2300 was.
The blue one that’s $750 is back for sale, his sale fell through. I sent the photos he sent me to my local installer/Woodstock geek, who was scheduled to install my factory Progress on 11/12 originally.. My guy’s jaw was on the floor, says there’s no sign the stove was abused or over fired. $750, what the hell? We talked on the phone about it a couple of times yesterday, both of us shaking our head. He said he could help me on this end if I got it here on a rented truck, and the guy down there could help me get it on the truck.My guy says he would have to at least take the legs off and somehow palette it, since an assembled Progress won’t fit through a standard 31” door. But doable. If it were lefty, I would definitely do it!
The math, truck rental and paying myself something to drive 500 miles over two days through some of the worst traffic on the east coast comes out about $1000 cheaper for the used one, not counting retrofitting the air intake and getting a new cat. I mean, that’s what I paid for my current stove 15 years ago, that difference. Significant discount.
My guy also talked about Woodstock building them now. I’ll get my stove if EPA opens, which it looks like it will. My chips are in on getting a new stove from Woodstock and the tax credit. But I’ve still got this niggling indecision.
The blue one that’s $750 is back for sale, his sale fell through. I sent the photos he sent me to my local installer/Woodstock geek, who was scheduled to install my factory Progress on 11/12 originally.. My guy’s jaw was on the floor, says there’s no sign the stove was abused or over fired. $750, what the hell? We talked on the phone about it a couple of times yesterday, both of us shaking our head. He said he could help me on this end if I got it here on a rented truck, and the guy down there could help me get it on the truck.My guy says he would have to at least take the legs off and somehow palette it, since an assembled Progress won’t fit through a standard 31” door. But doable. If it were lefty, I would definitely do it!
The math, truck rental and paying myself something to drive 500 miles over two days through some of the worst traffic on the east coast comes out about $1000 cheaper for the used one, not counting retrofitting the air intake and getting a new cat. I mean, that’s what I paid for my current stove 15 years ago, that difference. Significant discount.
My guy also talked about Woodstock building them now. I’ll get my stove if EPA opens, which it looks like it will. My chips are in on getting a new stove from Woodstock and the tax credit. But I’ve still got this niggling indecision.
Rearscreen
Minister of Fire
Standard 10" Legs HxWxD: 33.5"x30.5"x25" Short Legs HxWxD: 28.5"x30.5"x25"
I don't understand.
Gee, I wonder why.
You want to save a few bucks but have to compromise/risk on a bunch of things achieve that savings. In my opinion, with such
an important purchase, be patient. Spend the extra. This stove will amaze you (once you dial in how to use it). As an example, I used to rent a hydraulic splitter every year. Then one day while at Woodsmans Forge in Sanbornville NH, I saw for the first time a DR Kinetic splitter which I had no knowledge of. It had a price tag of about 2 grand. At home, I immediately began the research. Of all of the few Kinetic the only one that could pass muster was the Super Split made in MA. It was around 4 grand. I went round and around trying to justify , researching, reading reviews, calling the company. I wanted electric. No Problem. What about the fact you have no second safety lever? No problem. So, I bought it. Every time I use it, it's a joy.
In other words, you won't regret your purchase and you have compete assurance of support - we hope.
IDK. I see those numbers. I’ve never tried to move an assembled one through a door, but I think he has. He does a lot of Woodstock stoves, local, and he has a couple of them himself.
Now that it’s starting to get colder, I’m especially psyched to swap out my heating strategy, even if it means I burn more wood. This Jotul, let it go out at night. It’s never going to hold a fire. Then the mini split holds the line at 60 something until I light the Jotul in the morning. The mini split at night in the cold temps is at its worst efficiency. In the cold months. I’ll do more wood, less electricity, or maybe not even more wood. Short term I’ve got a glut of wood anyway. Dying ash trees, and my neighbors are giving me the wood if I cut down a bunch of big sugar maples that are growing up on their property into their view (wood for ‘28-‘29, cutting now). The Progress won’t pay for itself in lower electric bills too soon, but it’ll be nice, I’m sure.
Now that it’s starting to get colder, I’m especially psyched to swap out my heating strategy, even if it means I burn more wood. This Jotul, let it go out at night. It’s never going to hold a fire. Then the mini split holds the line at 60 something until I light the Jotul in the morning. The mini split at night in the cold temps is at its worst efficiency. In the cold months. I’ll do more wood, less electricity, or maybe not even more wood. Short term I’ve got a glut of wood anyway. Dying ash trees, and my neighbors are giving me the wood if I cut down a bunch of big sugar maples that are growing up on their property into their view (wood for ‘28-‘29, cutting now). The Progress won’t pay for itself in lower electric bills too soon, but it’ll be nice, I’m sure.
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