I have a two story slab on grade total square footage 1900 square feet plus an attached garage. I live in Newfoundland where the winter temperatures can range down to -20C but are normally no lower than -10C. I have a Newmac wood oil combo in my attached garage that heats the house and I am not satisfied at all. The issue with the furnace is where it is located in the garage the only heat you get in the house from it is when the blower is going. Due to the slab on grade my furnace ductwork runs across my ceiling on the bottom level and blows down from the ceiling with the cold air return on the floor and the normal setup for upstairs. Once the fire dies down and the blower kicks out there is no radiant heat going into the house approx. 4 hrs. (12am to 4am) overnight and from 12 pm until we get home from work at 5 pm. Therefore the house cools off and secondary heat ( oil) needs to be used to keep the house warm which is very expensive. Furnace oil is $1.0581 a litre now and we have seen prices much higher than this in the winter. I am planning on keeping the furnace for a couple of years until my oil tank expires and then put in a electric furnace or a few mini splits as a secondary heat. Before the winter comes I am looking at installing a wood stove and chimney in the house to keep the house warm during the night and the day. Due to the cost of the install I have decided to go with a cheaper stove that I may later use in the garage. Two of the stoves that I have narrowed it down to are the Century fw3000 and the Timberwolf 2200. The timberwolf is more efficient at 86% listed vs 77% but the Century has a larger firebox 2.4 or 2.9 not sure vs 1.9 The Century is on sale now for $799 but the blower is optional and the Timberwolf is $1199 with everything included. Does anyone have either one of these? What are your opinions? Thanks!
FW3000 or Timberwolf 2200
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PErsonally I don't know much about the Century stove. What I do know is that Englander Stoves are a well made stove. A high ranking employee within the company is a very active member on this forum and if ever you had issues there's amazing tech support when calling their 1-800 number. I presume you're looking at getting it at Canadian Tire? They often have floor models they'll sell at a good discount.
http://www.englanderstoves.com/50-tnc30.html This stove in question is the same one as the 30-NC and LOTS of forum members have one of these in their house with no issues. It's a beast of a heater. Just make sure you have seasoned wood. New stoves don't do well with damp wood. If your wood isn't bad, you'll hate your stove. A 3 cubic foot firebox will have easily nice long burns (8-10 hours).
Newfoundland's weather is about the same as mine unless you're in northern Labrador
What part of Newfoundland are you in?
Andrew
PErsonally I don't know much about the Century stove. What I do know is that Englander Stoves are a well made stove. A high ranking employee within the company is a very active member on this forum and if ever you had issues there's amazing tech support when calling their 1-800 number. I presume you're looking at getting it at Canadian Tire? They often have floor models they'll sell at a good discount.
http://www.englanderstoves.com/50-tnc30.html This stove in question is the same one as the 30-NC and LOTS of forum members have one of these in their house with no issues. It's a beast of a heater. Just make sure you have seasoned wood. New stoves don't do well with damp wood. If your wood isn't bad, you'll hate your stove. A 3 cubic foot firebox will have easily nice long burns (8-10 hours).
Newfoundland's weather is about the same as mine unless you're in northern Labrador
What part of Newfoundland are you in?Andrew
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Get something large if long burn times are needed. The Englander 30 is cheap and is 3.5 cu. ft. Good reports on that unit.
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The two stoves that I am looking at are (broken link removed to http://www.kent.ca/kbs/en/product.jsp?prdId=7160098&skuId=7160098&catalogId=1206) and (broken link removed to http://www.kent.ca/kbs/en/product.jsp?prdId=7160022&skuId=7160022&catalogId=1206)
The englander looks like a good stove and would be a good contender but I am not sure if we can buy it here but will keep my eye open for one. My wife also likes the pedestal base so whatever I buy must have this and it looks like the englander comes in this configuration. Cdn tire does not have a big selection online yet and only a few small stoves in the local store. Kents has a few listed online and will have all of their stoves in the next few weeks. With the full install I was looking at buying a cheaper but efficient stove with a nice burn time that I may move to the garage in a few years. I want to have something that will last through the night unlike my current furnace. That's why I was kind of questioning the timberwolf 1.9 cf firebox. There are other stoves that we can buy but are more expensive and something that I may look at in a couple of years.
As per your question I am located in Western Newfoundland just outside Corner Brook.
The englander looks like a good stove and would be a good contender but I am not sure if we can buy it here but will keep my eye open for one. My wife also likes the pedestal base so whatever I buy must have this and it looks like the englander comes in this configuration. Cdn tire does not have a big selection online yet and only a few small stoves in the local store. Kents has a few listed online and will have all of their stoves in the next few weeks. With the full install I was looking at buying a cheaper but efficient stove with a nice burn time that I may move to the garage in a few years. I want to have something that will last through the night unlike my current furnace. That's why I was kind of questioning the timberwolf 1.9 cf firebox. There are other stoves that we can buy but are more expensive and something that I may look at in a couple of years.
As per your question I am located in Western Newfoundland just outside Corner Brook.
Hey! A good friend of mine works in Corner Brook. Small world!
1.9 cubic feet is too small for an overnight burn. Trust me. The best advice I got on this site: you can always make a small fire in a big stove. But you can't make a huge fire in a small stove.
THe Englander stove is available at ALL Canadian Tires. It's just a matter of time. And they are the best bang for your $ I think.....
http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/timber-ridge-wood-stove-2200-sq-ft-e-p-a-0642845p.html
andrew
1.9 cubic feet is too small for an overnight burn. Trust me. The best advice I got on this site: you can always make a small fire in a big stove. But you can't make a huge fire in a small stove.
THe Englander stove is available at ALL Canadian Tires. It's just a matter of time. And they are the best bang for your $ I think.....
http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/timber-ridge-wood-stove-2200-sq-ft-e-p-a-0642845p.html
andrew
I saw the timber ridge online but I didn't realize that's what it was. Many of the stoves are owned by the same company I think century and drolet and a few others are owned by the same company also. I have lots of seasoned split Birch and some spruce for the fall so the burn time should be good as long as the firebox is big. I split a few pieces a few days ago and it was 7-8% with my napoleon moisture meter.
LMFAO read the third paragraph in the second review under the review section on the link that you sent. That definitely looks like a good stove minus the plastic.
Yeah, you are right. SBI (stove builders international) make 7 brand of stoves. Usually they will develop a few approved fireboxes and dress them up differently with different options for different clientele.
Drolet is a good competitive brand of stoves as well.
Now pull the trigger! I hope you already have wood that is cut, split and stacked? That is key with an EPA stove: properly seasoned wood.
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Drolet is a good competitive brand of stoves as well.
Now pull the trigger! I hope you already have wood that is cut, split and stacked? That is key with an EPA stove: properly seasoned wood.
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Canadian Tire carries our "Timberridge" line, the "Englander 30" is listed by CT as a 50-TNC30, its the same stove.
im marking this thread i'll look back at it when I get to the office tomorrow and see if I can find out if the Ct stores in your area have them yet or if still "pending"
its looking like a big year for stoves , the guys on the line are still turning out stoves to ship
its impressive to watch , usually by sept we are starting to throttle back a bit believe it or not. seems that a lot of folks are looking hard at wood this year
reviews are usually good for a chuckle, the "plastic" is blue it protects the trim from nicks and such and peels right off, im not sure what the guy was talking about that didn't receive the "pedestal base" we ship all of our stoves as pedestal versions with the optional legs in a box inside the unit. as for the guy with the 2 hour burntimes, I suspect he hasn't found the draft control yet , but when he does , he'll be a bit happier
Yeah with my furnace I am only getting 4 hrs of heat out of the wood and oil got up to $1.17 I think last year in March. If I keep the oil off I wake up to a cold house every morning. I swore last winter that I am not doing that again. I am off on holidays starting tomorrow and I plan on at least installing my chimney in the next few weeks. Also in Newfoundland last winter we were into rolling blackouts so the furnace is useless when this occurs. I am really looking forward to this project I love burning wood but it is time to get some heat back for the wood burned.
I just re read your IP, the timberwolf 2200 is a fine stove , but it aint enough to do what you are looking to do. a 1.9CF firebox is not going to give you a true overnight burn. cant find the firebox size for the century.
you are heating approx. 1900 sqft in Canada im looking for a >2.5 CF firebox, preferably north of 3.0 unless you go with a cat stove like a medium to large BK (expensive but you would be buying serious heat)
The century is listed as 2.9 on the kent site and 2.4 on the century site. The overnight burn times are definitely welcome. I am going to head to a few places tomorrow and see if I can get a list of stoves that are on order. I would like to secure one before they come in. I expect with the power outages etc last year stoves are going to be in short supply.
Mark: mike knows his chit... Trust me! And as a fellow maritimer, I support your wood decision 100 percent. Last winter was tough. The timberridge I suggested will give you great heat. A 1.9 cu stove is for pleasure and warm climates...not Newfoundland winters. Lol. Might as well light a candle and huddle for heat. With a 3.5 cu stove you'll get great heat. Just read the sticky threads in this forum and familiarize yourself with EPA stove burning procedures.
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I am familiar with the EPA stoves dad had a super 27 in his last house and was a great stove. I have had enough huddling for heat with the furnace. What are the large and extra large drolet stoves like such as the ht2000, Baltic etc.
lol thanks chef. i'd buy you a beer but they wont let me ship it across the border
thing is "size matters" and if one is going to want an overnight burn especially up there next door to santa, you HAVE to be in the upper 2 CF to 3 CF class of stoves. only way to go any smaller (and not much smaller) is to go with a cat stove, but cat stoves are more clunky for the most part to operate and while are less finicky to fuel tend to output lower for longer, and in the 1900 sq ft we are looking at , unless the stove is centrally located and a seriously open floor plan the output may not keep up with the bitter parts of the winter.
which is why im thinking big honkin non cat is the best fit
I agree Mike.
I will meet you at the border and u can toss it over. I work for the Feds, they will let it pass.
I will meet you at the border and u can toss it over. I work for the Feds, they will let it pass.
great products, Canadian made ( down here being "made in the USA" is a big deal) o I suspect it is up there as well. these are the size stoves you ought to be looking at IMHO. their Baltic compares pretty well to my 30-nc. we are better in the "clean burn" category , not beating on the drolet but we kicked everyones fanny on that one. still its a heavy built chitkicker of a stove
The Drolet Austral is the same firebox as my Osburn 2300. It is a beast of a heater. I heat my 1300sqft bungalow with it. It is in my basement and I close off half of it, so it easily heats 2300 in my climate which is like yours. But I do have r24 full basement walls...
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