Getting the NC30 to heat as well as the old Defiant

[mywaynow]

I have one but not installed yet. Best place is a couple feet above the stove? I have a 40 inch straight vertical pipe to a 90 degree elbow.

 

[HotCoals]

I have one but not installed yet. Best place is a couple feet above the stove? I have a 40 inch straight vertical pipe to a 90 degree elbow.

I would put it about 20 " above the stove top..just above the 18" recommend for flue temp gauge.
One thing strange that you will find is that temps of the pipe itself will climb above above the damper for a ways after doing that.
I credit that to slowing down the flue flow and consequently the pipe heats up more because of it.

 

[mywaynow]

Here is a pic of a typical load in the 30. This would be a overnight load or first morning load. During the day there is usually smaller loads running. This was loaded at around 10 pm and was reduced to about 2 gallons of coals at 7 am.

 

[Todd]

Those splits look pretty large. I bet if you took half of that load and split them in half your stove temps would come up much quicker and the stove would throw much more heat. Maybe you need to burn smaller splits during the day for a hotter burn and save the large splits for the overnighters?

 

[GAMMA RAY]

Those splits look pretty large. I bet if you took half of that load and split them in half your stove temps would come up much quicker and the stove would throw much more heat. Maybe you need to burn smaller splits during the day for a hotter burn and save the large splits for the overnighters?

I am with Todd on this one. I have experienced just that with smaller splits in my 30.

 

[oldspark]

If you want to burn bigger splits and get quick heat I would suggest a middle of the road wood like cherry, green ash or silver mape, so far some of the best and most predictable fires have been with Green Ash, I know what the stove is going to do for the most part, it's as close to set it and forget it as I can be. Oak and White Ash come up to temp slower so smaller size splits in those types are the order of the day for me.
I find your posts much like mine from a year or so ago and still have not found what I want but closer than I was.

 

[oldspark]

"You may benefit from a flue damper..works for oldspark even though he gets upset when I say it’s “old schoolâ€..lol. "

The only reason that bothers me is it seems to suggest you do not need one at all any more and I believe that is not the case, now I am using mine only part of the time cause I trying to figure out the best way. I guess I am old school for the most part.
:lol:

 

[wkpoor]

I thought those stoves weren't supposed to have wood above the firebrick? That one is loaded to the tubes.

 

[DexterDay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lse4j1CQd0E&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Anyone seen this vid on the 30???? Holy

 

[rdust]

I thought those stoves weren't supposed to have wood above the firebrick? That one is loaded to the tubes.

I always loaded my non cat to the tubes when I wanted a full load. If I only loaded to the bricks it would've been a 1 cubic foot stove. :lol:

 

[pen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lse4j1CQd0E&feature=youtubedata_player

Anyone seen this vid on the 30???? Holy

Old news, this came up a good while ago and based upon feedback he received, if I remember correctly, tried changing some things and made another video but still wasn't very happy.

It happens.

pen

 

[rdust]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lse4j1CQd0E&feature=youtubedata_player

Anyone seen this vid on the 30???? Holy

That was posted here a while back, if you look at the comments most of them came from members here. :lol:

 

[DexterDay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lse4j1CQd0E&feature=youtubedata_player

Anyone seen this vid on the 30???? Holy

That was posted here a while back, if you look at the comments most of them came from members here. :lol:

Thanks Pen and rdust.... I didn't see it....

I was trying to uplaod a new video of my secondary burn. They say light shows are for Rock concerts. But I can get a couple hrs of just secondary burn out of my stove. My vid is only 15 minutes. But it doesnt change. Stays constant. Still not finished uploading.

Taking forever! But Im surfing while waiting....

 

[pen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lse4j1CQd0E&feature=youtubedata_player

Anyone seen this vid on the 30???? Holy

That was posted here a while back, if you look at the comments most of them came from members here. :lol:

Thanks Pen and rdust.... I didn't see it....

I was trying to uplaod a new video of my secondary burn. They say light shows are for Rock concerts. But I can get a couple hrs of just secondary burn out of my stove. My vid is only 15 minutes. But it doesnt change. Stays constant. Still not finished uploading.

Taking forever! But Im surfing while waiting....

Like so many things in this life, there are folks in the know, and there are folks who think they know.

pen

 

[HotCoals]

"You may benefit from a flue damper..works for oldspark even though he gets upset when I say it’s “old schoolâ€..lol. "

The only reason that bothers me is it seems to suggest you do not need one at all any more and I believe that is not the case, now I am using mine only part of the time cause I trying to figure out the best way. I guess I am old school for the most part.
:lol:

It's not you..in fact it's the epa that bugs me.
I was under the impression that they did not want these stoves to have a damper..maybe I'm wrong.

There should be a control on the secondary air...again I blame the epa for that..maybe I'm wrong again.

To me (for sure in the shoulder) a secondary air control could keep things under control better.
Another example of the big gov knowing what's best for us.
But I'm sure the avg person running a tube with secondary control would be just more confused and run it wrong.

But really ..you're probably wise to have that damper ..mines still in my flue.

 

[defiant3]

So I know what a can of worms THIS is gonna be, but as someone who rebuilds stoves for a living, I'm trying to give good advice whenpeople call. So knowing that folx have a wide variety of experience w/older stoves, would those of you who've run NC-30's consider them a suitable replacement for Defiants? Or Vigilants? Or whatever you had before? Honestly, I don't always recommend people put the $ into their old stoves. Then they tell me it's gonna be like 2000 bucks or more for a new one. But Englanders are much more reasonable, yes? Have they been successful so far for you?

 

[Huntindog1]

you might open a new thread for your question.

 

[Huntindog1]

Just saw that YouTube video. Right there is an example of everything you dont do with these stoves.

You dont stand there with the door open and flush all the heat up the flue and ask where is the heat?

You dont stack your wood on the top of the stove like that as most of the heat comes thru the top and the front glass, hope that stove doent decide to take off on him.

Most likely he had wood with high moisture content, that will keep his heat down and thats most likely why he had wood stacked on top of the stove to dry it.

You dont just throw a log or 2 on and leave the air wide open as there is to much empty space left in a big stove like that to get it into the snoke burning mode.

He shows an example why these stoves are not wood burners but smoke burners, yes eventually the wood burns down but the main heat is coming from the smoke gas burning. Burning the gases is much hotter.

 

[sebring]

That youtube video is classic wet wood. I burn some wood that sizzles when you throw it in and the fire looks identical to his. Black charred wood with no flames and no heat.

 

[Seasoned Oak]

Max temps have been 800 or just short of it. That has happened 2-3 times when the initial load went a bit too long before I closed down the primary. Today the house is 73 and it was 24 this morning. Full load in at 10 pm and had plenty to restart at 6 am. Loaded 2/3 full at 6 and it ran 450 with the blower on low, but it consumed most of the load in 4 hours, about 5-6 med splits. Primary was just inside the ash lip by an inch. I am going to load up again and shut off the fans to see if it can keep up now that the house is holding a good temp.

IN my opinion 450 is too low to have a blower on. remember once you cool the dtove down that much you wont get reburn. Try turning on the blower at 650-700 but once it goes below 500-550 i would can the blower.
Smoke wont burn lower than 1100 INSIDE stove temp.If you want to burn clean at lower temps you need a cat stove. When i monitor my chimney with the 30 anything below 550-600 stove top temp i get smoke.Only above 600 is it smoke free. This is just my experience with the 30, yours may vary.