Heads up for you Adobe guys

[heaterman]

I got a phone call this AM from a customer inquiring about a wood boiler. In the course of the conversation He told me that his 12,000 sq ft shop had burned due to a failure in his Adobe. From what he said, a weld let go which allowed either hot flue gas or actual flame to escape the boiler. Having not ever laid eyes on one personally, I couldn't really follow what he was describing or where exactly on the boiler this occurred. His insurance company now has possession of the boiler and is weighing options of suing Adobe for catastrophic failure of the product. Hope the maker has good insurance himself.

Just wanted to urge all of you who have one to examine it very carefully before using it this heating season.

I think that this illustrates very nicely how careful you should be when buying a product and making sure there is a good, valid and actual company behind it instead of a guy with a shop fabbing up boilers. There's nothing wrong with requesting documentation of insurance from a manufacturer if you're buying their product or at the very least researching their background in designing and building heating equipment.

Just a word to the wise..........

 

[NNYorker]

Thanks for the heads up, hope the insurance company pursues this to the fullest. Keep the Adobe owners up to date please!!

 

[pybyr]

I am not normally the type to encourage people to go in a lawsuit-type direction (our society is already WAY too bogged down in & by litigation)

but from all the horror stories that float around here on Hearth regarding Adobe, it sounds like a class-action lawsuit against the maker/ marketer might actually be deserved and waiting to happen- so people can get back hard earned purchase money to go get something else that will work as advertised

 

[NNYorker]

Phillip Dougherty has TAKEN enough of everyone's money. I sincerely believe he wanted to make the most money the quickest way with absolutely no regard for the customer's concerns. He will never concede he is wrong,he will blame everyone else for any issues that follow him.
He is nothing more than a snake-oil salesman. His (broken link removed) shuts down and now he looks for more prey with his (broken link removed) site. It is obvious that $$$$$$$$$ is much more important than dealing with a customer after the sale. Look out unsuspecting visitors of (broken link removed)

 

[pybyr]

Again, I am usually the last one to encourage people to get trigger-happy on lawsuits

But if this person is really leaving a series of craters in his wake, with lots of other peoples' money in those holes, and with a lot of other peoples' money in his pocket, it's the exact type of situation that class-action lawsuits were originally-intended for, before they became bogus.

It's all a matter of connecting the dots so that the pattern becomes clear, before an SOB takes other peoples' hard earned $$$, and so that the SOB loses $$$, __not__ the hard working folks.

 

[NNYorker]

Again, I am usually the last one to encourage people to get trigger-happy on lawsuits

But if this person is really leaving a series of craters in his wake, with lots of other peoples' money in those holes, and with a lot of other peoples' money in his pocket, it's the exact type of situation that class-action lawsuits were originally-intended for, before they became bogus.

It's all a matter of connecting the dots so that the pattern becomes clear, before an SOB takes other peoples' hard earned $$$, and so that the SOB loses $$$, __not__ the hard working folks.

I've got quite a bit of wood to burn, but not a lot of money to burn. My point is the insurance company has lots of $$$$$$$ and lawyers to hopefully put an end to Phillip Dougherty's career of ripping people off via (broken link removed) and his newest front for fraud (broken link removed) It would be sweet justice if an insurance company put him out of business and served him up a penalty for his unethical business practices as he represents many insurance companies selling insurance products .

 

[Redox]

Let's hope you are right, but I suspect that 'ol Phillip has probably thought of this and shut Adobe down to insulate himself from "frivolous" lawsuits. It will be interesting to see what happens, at any rate...

Heaterman; do you have a source you can name for your information? I would be interested to know which insurance company is handling this. 12000sf is an awful lot of building to burn down.

edit: I see it is a client, but would still like to know who is handling the claim...

Chris

 

[pybyr]

There's a legal concept known as "piercing the corporate veil" that -although far more the exception than the rule- is specifically intended to allow getting to the bottom of situations in which unscrupulous people deliberately use business structures such as corporations to knowingly pull a scam and avoid personal responsibility.

I am not an Adobe owner (thank heavens, it seems!) nor can I give specific advice, but as long as someone has liquid-ate-able-assets somewhere in the USA, and if they have pulled enough of an atrocious deliberate fast-one on enough people to make it worth the "transaction cost" of assembling the various aggrieved parties to go after the scammer, there may be more possibility of a remedy than meets the eye--

or, at the very minimum, there might be a possibility of getting some various States' consumer protection arms to prevent future consumers from getting scammed, which may, maybe, dovetail, with individual customers' efforts to get back $$ from a knowingly unscrupulous operator.

 

[Norman]

I got a phone call this AM from a customer inquiring about a wood boiler. In the course of the conversation He told me that his 12,000 sq ft shop had burned due to a failure in his Adobe. From what he said, a weld let go which allowed either hot flue gas or actual flame to escape the boiler. Having not ever laid eyes on one personally, I couldn't really follow what he was describing or where exactly on the boiler this occurred. His insurance company now has possession of the boiler and is weighing options of suing Adobe for catastrophic failure of the product. Hope the maker has good insurance himself.

Just wanted to urge all of you who have one to examine it very carefully before using it this heating season.

I think that this illustrates very nicely how careful you should be when buying a product and making sure there is a good, valid and actual company behind it instead of a guy with a shop fabbing up boilers. There's nothing wrong with requesting documentation of insurance from a manufacturer if you're buying their product or at the very least researching their background in designing and building heating equipment.

Just a word to the wise..........

THIS IS SO TRUE AK FOR A CERTIFICATE OF LIABILTY FROM THE MANUFACTURER... ALL GOOD MANUFACTURERS THAT WANT YOU TO REPRESENT THIER PRODUCTS ASK US DEALERS TO PROVIDE GENERAL LIABILITY INSURANCE.... ALSO UL LISTING IS THE KEY...... MAINE HAS A STRICT POLICY ON HEATING UNITS NEED TO BE UL FOR IT TO BE INSTALLED BY AN SOLID FUEL LISCENSED INSTALLER...

ALSO THESE TYPES OF BOILER ARE MANUFACTURED WITH REFRACTORY AND THE SKINS ARE ONLY SEALED WITH HIGH TEMP SILICONE AND SCREWS

JUST DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND ASK QUESTIONS ON EVERY BLOG OR CALL BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS BEEN THRU THIS OR HAS HEARD OF SOMETHING...

AND GOOD LUCK WITH ADOBE HE HAS VANISHED....



ANYONE WHO NEEDS MORE INFO EMAIL ME OK

 

[Norman]

Thanks for the heads up, hope the insurance company pursues this to the fullest. Keep the Adobe owners up to date please!!

GOOD LUK ON THE ADOBE PLEASE KEEP THE FORUM POSTED AS TO THE ADOBE WHEREABOUTS

 

[muleman51]

The problem is several states have tried to contact Adobe and have gotten nowhere. So we are basically SOL unless we pour more money down the tube. I would be glad to give testimony to whoever could use it.

 

[NNYorker]

Thanks for the heads up, hope the insurance company pursues this to the fullest. Keep the Adobe owners up to date please!!

GOOD LUK ON THE ADOBE PLEASE KEEP THE FORUM POSTED AS TO THE ADOBE WHEREABOUTS

Haven't you been to the "new" (broken link removed) site ---just click on that site and e-mail Jim or Susan-- I'm sure they will answer all your questions. ( I've never received a response back from the e-mails I've sent?????????) You can buy the Adobe fully assembled or as a kit(like I did). The Adobe is even "safety tested" for anyone concerned about burning their home down to the ground.

If you want some real solid backing of the Adobe just read the testimonials on the site---"Bob" from PA. writes: I do not expect perfection from a system, just heat. Well, to all of you future Adobe owners please let me enlighten you on not expecting perfection from an Adobe. I'm sure muleman51, JLPELL, druzzy, altheating, gill, roaringfire, and CarlT can also share their "perfection " stories with anyone considering dealing with Adobe.

Phillip Dougherty has not disappeared--- just business as usual --- he never was accessible right from the beginning........ Try (broken link removed) and (broken link removed)...........

 

[NNYorker]

BREAKING NEWS----Phillip Dougherty has a more storefronts on the web-- (broken link removed), royalmountainholdings.com, shop.enterpriseboiler.com--all under the guise of Royal Mountain Energy. Punch up Royal Mountain Energy and see what you get. More hype than a 2 A.M. infomercial

I just called the 1-888-734-3135 # but the message taker said Phillip Dougherty was not available---Surprise

 

[Redox]

One of the phone #'s is a landline in Cheyenne WY. He also has a 120MPG SUV in development! The boiler is only $3600- a relative bargain compared to a Tarm. I can find no address anywhere or any info on the domain. Bells should be going off by now...

It's almost Halloween and P. D. is dressing up as a ghost!

Chris

 

[pybyr]

get the National Association of Attorneys General and the individual states' AG's consumer protection divisions tuned into this.

this kind of multi-state skullduggery, especially preying upon people in an unusually hard time, is the sort of thing that they might really like to land on with both feet

while you all are at it, if he , as he presumably has, used the US mail to transact business, and/ or done some dubious deals across state lines, look into Mail Fraud and Racketeering and Corrupt Organizations ("RICO") legal remedies, which may help those who have been taken advantage of recover their legal costs

I (thank heavens) do not own an adobe, and am more than busy with the day job and my gasifier install, but really, as much as the public usually has a low repute of lawyers, this whole situation SCREAMS for a properly-legal application of tar and feathers, with any and every form of legal tar or feathers that good lawyers can come up with.

 

[Redox]

I didn't think tar and feathers were legal anymore... :coolsmile:

Maybe hot pokers to the 'nads would be more appropriate and effective!

Sorry, I'm trying to make you all smile a little...

Chris

 

[NNYorker]

Chris & Trevor,

Thanks for the humor, encouragement, and advice--I need all of it!! Yes, Chris I went to www.who.is/ and all of Phillip Dougherty's storefronts for fraud are registered through Domains by Proxy out of Arizona--private registration with absolutely no other info. The $3600 boiler is a Kerr unit.(Thankfully he has no say in how that is built)

Trevor, still awaiting a response from Both NY & ME AG's as I provided more info to both. Your suggestions are next on my list. The Adobe is currently located in my pole barn in one piece as a monument to one mans greed awaiting who knows what in the future. I could have had a Tarm with storage with all the money I've got wrapped up in this--it was my first choice when I first started researching. Like most people I'm just a workin' stiff payin' the bills goin' to work everyday,doin' the kids homework,gettin rid of a foot of wet snow out of the driveway(yesterday),etc,etc...This guy sells junk to people,defrauds them,gets away with it so far-- all with a smile on his face. NOBODY deserves to own an Adobe or anything Phillip Dougherty sells on (broken link removed), www.enterpriseboiler.com,www.woodchipfurnace.com,or shop.enterpriseboiler.com. Well enough of that for now---Nice storage Trevor. I like the hot poker idea too!!

 

[trailhound68]

Who has any pictures of these things and their workmanship? Post some to help us get familar.

 

[NNYorker]

Search for Adobe Problems-Owners Unite-- go to Pg. 9 --I've got a few pictures posted there. This thread started it all.....

 

[pybyr]

I didn't think tar and feathers were legal anymore... :coolsmile:

Maybe hot pokers to the 'nads would be more appropriate and effective!

Sorry, I'm trying to make you all smile a little...

Chris

they've merely got to be legally-crafted and legally-deployed tar and feathers or hot pokers

part of me wishes I was still in private sector legal practice where I could maybe get a group of y'all together to go after such a bum, as long as he has assets worth going after

and then again, if someone were to PM me with some contact info for people who've been scammed, I might completely, accidentially drop it into the lap of a friendly lawyer who focuses on class action lawsuits

 

[NNYorker]

It would be interesting to find out what line of BS Phillip Dougherty is running now--say maybe some people contact his various storefronts inquiring about his wealth of knowledge concerning heating with wood and all the products he sells. He knows my # and refuses to talk to me.........