I don't think so. I never read that Webby said "all" grated systems are stupid. Those words were put in his mouth. He may agree with it but I still wouldn't count that against his credibility as it is his opinion based on his experience. We all get one vote. We save the credibility droppers for silly, personal, attacks on people instead of actually demonstrating why your different opinion is better. Be careful @webby3650 , soon they will accuse you of looking through rose colored glasses and having a wife that doesn't put out. Really. I've only recently begun using the plug system on my BK. Never will use in on the NC30. The pans themselves are too small. Using the plug system on the BK is 90% less ash spillage than shoveling. Even if I have to refill the pan twice.