Interesting article on the net with pictures.

[clancey]

As a beginner I found this on the net and thought the pictures were really nice ..so I thought that I would bring it forward and put it on here...There is a variety of different wood burning stoves and I like Bob Vila too..old clancey

The 8 Best Wood Stoves for Warmth, Efficiency, and Ambiance

The best wood stove can heat your home efficiently and like great while doing it. Get our top recommendations and tips on how to choose.

www.bobvila.com

 

[begreen]

These "best" item articles are now peppering the internet. They are published on almost any product one buys. Some have decent writers but many don't. The intent is to get eyeballs (for the ads which they get paid for) and for the click thru credit that they also get paid for. In other words, they are money makers and not necessarily good advice. In particular, the US Stove Logwood stove is not a good stove and not something I would recommend except as a cheap shop stove. The Bob Villa brand empire has turned into a mighty money machine and this is using a third party branding firm (Recurrent) to create new revenue streams. Caveat Emptor.

 

[clancey]

That"s interesting and true what you say but I like the pretty pictures...There is a lot of variety of stoves out there and they all I guess have some drawbacks...But it was interesting and the writer has a way of talking to newbies like me.. With articles like that you can get a smattering of information and prices on the different stoves then people wind up on here to ask the more informed people who actually has the product about the real aspects of the stoves with real experience...that's how i see it anyway..people like fast knowledge all at once then they work with what they have or picked out.. Fast paced world we live in with people not so patient..clancey

 

[bholler]

That"s interesting and true what you say but I like the pretty pictures...There is a lot of variety of stoves out there and they all I guess have some drawbacks...But it was interesting and the writer has a way of talking to newbies like me.. With articles like that you can get a smattering of information and prices on the different stoves then people wind up on here to ask the more informed people who actually has the product about the real aspects of the stoves with real experience...that's how i see it anyway..people like fast knowledge all at once then they work with what they have or picked out.. Fast paced world we live in with people not so patient..clancey

There are some good stoves on that list for sure. But there are a couple that should absolutely not be on a best of anything list. It clearly isn't an unbiased article

 

[clancey]

I agree and that's why people should come on here and ask questions about the stoves that interest them after they see the pretty pictures...At least they get a idea that there are many stoves out there with totally different designs...My favorite one is not in any of those pictures.., but they are beautiful pictures and I wanted people to see their particular stove in a beautiful picture. People being members on here know the difference of the stoves and whats true and whats not by actually using them. These pictures helps the beginners who might be interested at least in the design stage of them because that's all the knowledge beginners have in the beginning their looks. Then they learn about the functions as they progress with their research especially with the pricing of them too as a beginning point and I think people love pictures and judge by them...clancey

 

[bholler]

I agree and that's why people should come on here and ask questions about the stoves that interest them after they see the pretty pictures...At least they get a idea that there are many stoves out there with totally different designs...My favorite one is not in any of those pictures.., but they are beautiful pictures and I wanted people to see their particular stove in a beautiful picture. People being members on here know the difference of the stoves and whats true and whats not by actually using them. These pictures helps the beginners who might be interested at least in the design stage of them because that's all the knowledge beginners have in the beginning their looks. Then they learn about the functions as they progress with their research especially with the pricing of them too as a beginning point and I think people love pictures and judge by them...clancey

Yes but pretty pictures above misleading information doesn't make that info any less misleading.

 

[begreen]

Pretty pictures are often the bane of people wanting to put in a stove for the first time. Often they are studio staged and not real world. It's not uncommon in those pictures to see major errors, especially for clearances. The worst are the alcove installs. It's marketing driven like the Villa site. Often people come to hearth.com with pictures of English alcove installs, saying my wife want an install like this. What they don't understand is that in the UK and Europe they use a lot more stone and brick construction so the alcove is entirely non-combustible.

 

[clancey]

Now that's interesting and did not know that and brick seems so much more robust...I am going to have brick on my wood heater walls someday..Would brick hold the heat in better and give one a better heating experience--just wondering...clancey

 

[stoveliker]

it's not "brick on the walls" in the parts of Europe I know. It's walls made only out of brick (with stucco on the surface). No studs. (Ever.)

 

[clancey]

What do you mean no studs--would not you have to have studs to hold up the wall--do not understand stoveliker? clancey

 

[begreen]

Many of their homes are entirely made out of masonry or stone. They were built to last centuries. Only the roof support structure used wood.

 

[clancey]

Do they still build like that? clancey

 

[begreen]

Yes, if one can afford to and the materials are plentiful. There are stone homes in Pennsylvania and parts of New England made this way too. And some of our National & State Park lodges too. The Nearings built out of stone as well.

 

[stoveliker]

yes. Or with concrete.
masonry brick walls are very good in bearing load. (unless there are earthquakes). No need to "hold them up" one way or the other. In fact, most homes where I'm from had 2 brick walls with insulation in between.

 

[clancey]

Sorry another question here--How do they insulate their houses? clancey Oh my question was answered by stoveliker with two brick masonry walls and insulation in between and is masonry walls better than actual brick pieces? clancey

 

[stoveliker]

Sorry another question here--How do they insulate their houses? clancey

insulation between the two brick walls. Or between two (prefab) concrete panels.

 

[begreen]

Or no insulation at all in many of old stone and brick homes. Ashful's stone house has something like 18" thick walls.

 

[stoveliker]

old style:

modern varieties

'80s run of the mill

 

[stoveliker]

Or no insulation at all in many of old stone and brick homes.

where I'm from there were always 2 walls. It used to have an air gap "insulation" between them (see double pane windows), but that has been changing in the last 30 years or so where these gaps are filled with spray foam.

I'm not sure how this is in scandinavia. Most of Europe is pretty mild in climate.

 

[begreen]

Devonshire cottage.

 

[clancey]

How beautiful that cottage..wow...I want a house like that...lol with four fireplaces..lol Thanks everyone what a trip...clancey

 

[stoveliker]

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Devonshire cottage.

I've been in Oxfordshire cottages. Indeed no space, just 2-3 ft thick walls!

 

[bholler]

where I'm from there were always 2 walls. It used to have an air gap "insulation" between them (see double pane windows), but that has been changing in the last 30 years or so where these gaps are filled with spray foam.

I'm not sure how this is in scandinavia. Most of Europe is pretty mild in climate.

None of them here have insulation unless it is added inside or out.

 

[firefighterjake]

Pretty pictures are often the bane of people wanting to put in a stove for the first time. Often they are studio staged and not real world. It's not uncommon in those pictures to see major errors, especially for clearances. The worst are the alcove installs. It's marketing driven like the Villa site. Often people come to hearth.com with pictures of English alcove installs, saying my wife want an install like this. What they don't understand is that in the UK and Europe they use a lot more stone and brick construction so the alcove is entirely non-combustible.

Kinda reminds me of the marketing photo that showed up here a few years back which showed a pretty woodstove with a roaring fire . . . and no flue hook up.

 

[clancey]

Ha Ha Ha ---Now firefighter Jake its not that bad..lol they are pretty pictures of some very pretty stoves...lol....clancey