Is this Red Mulberry bark??

Woody Stover

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Dec 25, 2010
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Southern IN
I've thought that I might be confusing small, dead Mulberry and Redbud. In the Audubon Guide, no pic of Redbud bark, plus the bark pics for other species in the book don't always match what I see here, anyway.
These two trees aren't big..maybe 8".
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Sawset

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Feb 14, 2015
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Around here, I don't remember mulberry ever having flakes of bark coming loose.
 

Woody Stover

Minister of Fire
Dec 25, 2010
11,585
Southern IN
Around here, I don't remember mulberry ever having flakes of bark coming loose.
Maybe when the trunks get bigger, that doesn't happen. Searching the 'net, I see some scaly bark. Also saw that the Rudbud bark looks like you can see more red/orange color where the surface bark splits apart..
 

Woody Stover

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Dec 25, 2010
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Southern IN
Could it be Hop Hornbeam?
Well, searching its range, it could be. When I cut that one that fell over on the Black Locust stack, I'll get a good pic of the end grain and post it..
 

Ashful

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Mar 7, 2012
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Philadelphia
I have some mulberry, and unless that’s a different variety, I’m pretty sure that’s not mulberry. I also have some redbuds, but they’re too immature to use for a bark comparison, so I’m no help there.
 

Woody Stover

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Dec 25, 2010
11,585
Southern IN
I also have some redbuds, but they’re too immature to use for a bark comparison, so I’m no help there.
Looking at "The Guide," I see that they only get to 8" diameter. I'm sure I've gotten a few small dead ones out there, but I think the bark is different than these two..
 

hickoryhoarder

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Apr 5, 2013
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Indiana
I've never seen that bark. I wouldn't call it mulberry, and I definitely would not call it red bud.
 
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CincyBurner

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Mar 10, 2015
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SW Ohio
Closeup pic of buds/ twigs ?
Branching habit - opposite or alternate ?
Mulberry will have yellow to orange heartwood.
Are twigs in pic 1 growing from trunk.
 

Woody Stover

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Dec 25, 2010
11,585
Southern IN
Closeup pic of buds/ twigs ?
Branching habit - opposite or alternate ?
Mulberry will have yellow to orange heartwood.
Are twigs in pic 1 growing from trunk.
Yes, they are. The tree has been uprooted for a while, and is throwing out shoots. I'll get some better pics today, and maybe cut it if I have time.
 

Woody Stover

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Dec 25, 2010
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Southern IN
Closeup pic of buds/ twigs ?
Branching habit - opposite or alternate ?
Mulberry will have yellow to orange heartwood.
Are twigs in pic 1 growing from trunk.
Alternate branching. Here's a but pic from one of the shoots. Not sure if I'll get a chance to cut it today..might have to go pick up fifteen sheets of metal siding to use as stack covers...free! ==c
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Could be Black Willow too or an Elm
Elm was one thing I'm pondering. I remember that years ago when a tree guy was doing some work back there, he cut a small tree out of the way, and told me it was "Elm." We have quite a bit of Red (Slippery) Elm here, but the bark is much different.
 

Woody Stover

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Dec 25, 2010
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Southern IN
I also have some redbuds
I'm pretty sure that this is a Redbud, with the orange showing through the cracks in the bark. No flaky, scaly bark like on the example in question. I also saw a bonus 9" Red Elm I didn't know was there, about 100' behind the house. >>
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CincyBurner

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Mar 10, 2015
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SW Ohio
Not redbud: darker, slender twigs with very characteristic zig-zag pattern. Bark is more scaly and reddish overall. Leaves characteristic heart-shape.
I'm leaning toward white mulberry (Morus alba). https://www.invasive.org/browse/detail.cfm?imgnum=5397617
Look at leaf scar (big), and buds.
 

Woody Stover

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Dec 25, 2010
11,585
Southern IN
Yep, could be White. They are in a clearing, which I saw mentioned somewhere, that Whites like. I'm not too worried about this invasive taking over since most of the property is pretty thick woods. Nonetheless, I'll remove them if I'm sure of the ID. Once I see leaves, I'll know for sure; White has shiny leaves. But I'll still try to ID it from what I have to work with. https://www.extension.purdue.edu/extmedia/fnr/fnr_237.pdf
 

Ashful

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Mar 7, 2012
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Philadelphia
I have a white mulberry about 50 feet from my back door, which I get berries from every June. I will get a photo of it for you this weekend, Woody. I don't think mine looks nearly as 'shaggy' as what you show in the OP, but maybe my memory just isn't serving me well.
 
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Grizzerbear

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Feb 12, 2019
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SW Missoura
Doesnt look like redbud to me. The bark of red bud is scaly around here and almost a burgundy color. A lot of them i see in the woods the trunk grows in a twisted contorted. I will try and get a pic today if i remember.
 

Woody Stover

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Dec 25, 2010
11,585
Southern IN
Mulberry will have yellow to orange heartwood.
I grabbed the little (dull) ;) saw and cut the one leaning on the BL stack. I'll let the other one leaf out to nail this ID for certain.
It sure is "yaller wood."
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I'm digging into a stack that was rather poorly covered, culling out a few rotters and cleaning, re-stacking and covering the rest with metal siding, or bringing the dry ones to the on-deck circle on the porch, to be burned soon.
I remembered this stack as mainly Pignut, but on the end there was a little Persimmon (didn't hold up well when it got wet,) plus some of what I think might be Red Mulberry. The heartwood of this held up well, except some pieces that looked like they were constantly wet..then the heartwood eventually rotted as well. This must have been from small, dead trees I came across in the woods. The splits are hefty, so that would jibe with Red Mulberry BTU ratings I see..about the same as White Oak. The bark doesn't have the long flaky, scaly bark like the one I just sawed. But you know how it is with bark; Two trees of the same specie can have bark that is very different. I am still leaning toward CincyBurner's call, however..
Some type of bug apparently liked the wet sapwood on this stuff, when they found it.
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