ckdeuce said:How big is the firebox? I could not find it in the manual I downloaded.... Thanks - C
cycloxer said:Why can't you stack wood to the glass or the secondaries? I do it all the time.
mikepinto65 said:You can but I guess your manual has it all wrong.
cycloxer said:mikepinto65 said:You can but I guess your manual has it all wrong.
How does the manual have it all wrong?
Skier76 said:The glas I totally understand. Even in a non air wash stove, I'd still be nervous about the glass.
I scanned for info on the secondaries and wood touching them. I didn't see anything; although the key word is there is "scanned" aka: read really fast and could have missed things.
cycloxer said:You can get pretty close to the glass without the wood touching. Same with the secondaries. It doesn't stay that way very long before it starts to burn down. If you measure every nook and cranny of the internal dimensions of the stove (I know because I have done it) it actually comes out more than 1.75 cu. ft. I don't know how you calculated your 1.5.
mikepinto65 said:in the English section, it points out to stack wood up to the brick top.
cycloxer said:mikepinto65 said:in the English section, it points out to stack wood up to the brick top.
That isn't in the F 400 manual. There are no exposed bricks in the firebox of the F 400. The internal of the stove is all cast iron and the baffle is stainless steel.
I know the point you are trying to make: ie, the useable space is more like 1.5 cu. ft.
The point I am trying to make is that if you are trying to compare stove sizes, the only way to do this is to get out your tape measure and meaure them yourself. Then, you really have to look at the shape and consider the size of your firewood. Then you can make an educated judgement as to how much fuel you can load into the firebox.
BeGreen said:I'm with Mike on this one. Owned and measured the F400 and measured the F500. It's a 1.5 cu ft stove. A stove isn't measured to the absolute theoretical max one can fit into it. We'd be all over marketing depts. if they did this.
cycloxer said:BeGreen said:I'm with Mike on this one. Owned and measured the F400 and measured the F500. It's a 1.5 cu ft stove. A stove isn't measured to the absolute theoretical max one can fit into it. We'd be all over marketing depts. if they did this.
Okay, as a comparison go measure a Hearthstone Shelburne and tell me what size it is then. I'll save you the effort. It measures exactly 2.0 cu. ft. w/ a tape and guess what size they publish in their brochure? How do you explain that one? Shouldn't they subtract some space for an air gap too? How much space do you subtract? 1", 1/2" 1" only to glass? Should you consider only a 2/3 full firebox? There is a lot left to interpretation here of what exactly constitutes the firebox.
I go by tape measure dimensions that I snap myself. If I can measure the dims w/ a tape, you can bet I can fit wood in there. Then you can go compare stoves apples-apples rather than relying on diff manuf definitions and brochure data of what they call the firebox.
mikepinto65 said:Skier76 said:The glas I totally understand. Even in a non air wash stove, I'd still be nervous about the glass.
I scanned for info on the secondaries and wood touching them. I didn't see anything; although the key word is there is "scanned" aka: read really fast and could have missed things.
It is in one of the other two manuals provided with the stove......it also recommends wood much smaller than the advertised max log length so take from it what you will. I, personally, try to leave at least an inch of space up at the tubes.
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