Leafless Norway Maple

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gzecc

Minister of Fire
Sep 24, 2008
4,820
NNJ
Noticed a leafless Norway Maple in my front yard a few days ago. I thought it was my healthiest Norway. Probably 50+ years old. Its now going to provide us with heat after giving us shade for many years. What kills a Norway maple so fast. I'm used to them dying a slow death over many years of decline.
It had no leaves 5/14 (had a cluster of 4 leaves on entire tree) in north central NJ.
 

begreen

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Staff member
Nov 18, 2005
87,756
South Puget Sound, WA
Drought, road salt? Be careful when cutting. It may be rotten inside.
 

gzecc

Minister of Fire
Sep 24, 2008
4,820
NNJ
Drought, road salt? Be careful when cutting. It may be rotten inside.
Rains every other day here. Yard tree, no salt, rock solid no rot, already stacked.
 

begreen

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Staff member
Nov 18, 2005
87,756
South Puget Sound, WA
Was the bark girded by insects?
 

hickoryhoarder

Minister of Fire
Apr 5, 2013
607
Indiana
Drought may have weakened it, made it more susceptible to a number of things. Not sure about NJ, but here in Indiana we've had two record droughts since 2010, and one near-record one. Maples appear to have the hardest time dealing with the real tough droughts. They don't necessarily die that same year. We've lost maybe 20% of our maples the past ten years, and many have bad crowns now.

Norway maple and silver maple are not especially long-lived trees, while sugar maple tends to go 100-150 in nature.
 

gzecc

Minister of Fire
Sep 24, 2008
4,820
NNJ
Drought may have weakened it, made it more susceptible to a number of things. Not sure about NJ, but here in Indiana we've had two record droughts since 2010, and one near-record one. Maples appear to have the hardest time dealing with the real tough droughts. They don't necessarily die that same year. We've lost maybe 20% of our maples the past ten years, and many have bad crowns now.

Norway maple and silver maple are not especially long-lived trees, while sugar maple tends to go 100-150 in nature.
I've witnessed the demise of Norway's over the years. Usually slow decline over years.
No drought, no insects. 10% of the lower trunk (maybe a 2 sq. ft section) bark was delaminating from the trunk. Still attached, but loose.
We have 100 other trees on the property.
 

CincyBurner

Minister of Fire
Mar 10, 2015
582
SW Ohio
Verticilium wilt ? - a soil-born fungal pathogen
 

gzecc

Minister of Fire
Sep 24, 2008
4,820
NNJ
Verticilium wilt ? - a soil-born fungal pathogen
Could be, but it seemed very healthy last fall, then no leaves this spring except for 4 or 5. Seems very fast and complete.
 

gzecc

Minister of Fire
Sep 24, 2008
4,820
NNJ

gzecc

Minister of Fire
Sep 24, 2008
4,820
NNJ
I'm going to assume Verticilium wilt. It must have had damage last season that I didn't notice. I'm really surprised how complete the destruction of this mature tree was, from one season to the next.
 

hickoryhoarder

Minister of Fire
Apr 5, 2013
607
Indiana
I've witnessed the demise of Norway's over the years. Usually slow decline over years.
No drought, no insects. 10% of the lower trunk (maybe a 2 sq. ft section) bark was delaminating from the trunk. Still attached, but loose.
We have 100 other trees on the property.
It's true that they often decline in cities in year 50-70 of their life. Saw this in 1980-2005 in a city in Pennsylvania.

Good to hear you somehow escaped all three of these major droughts the last 10 years.
 

Simonkenton

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Feb 27, 2014
1,933
Marshall NC
New Jersey, huh? I think Tony Soprano sent Paulie out to do a hit on that tree.
 

kennyp2339

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Feb 16, 2014
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07462
New Jersey, huh? I think Tony Soprano sent Paulie out to do a hit on that tree.
LOL - my neighbor is the actor who played Larry Boy, great neighbor, him and his wife are very nice people and are pretty low key.
Lantern moth / fly has entered our area recently and they like maples, birches & tulip poplars / tree of heaven.
 
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