Mahindra 4540

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walhondingnashua

Feeling the Heat
Jul 23, 2016
398
ohio
Maybe I can get some opinions on this idea then?

New vs. used?

Pros for new... I know all other history of the tractor; may have some new features; everything like steering and pedals will be very tight still
Cons for new... PRICE!; underpowered due to emissions restrictions; things just are not built like they used to be

Pros for used... PRICE!; power true to tractor potential (no emissions restrictions); things have been built better in the past
Cons for used... don't know the machines history or how it was maintained; controls can be sloppy; finding a good one
 

sloeffle

Minister of Fire
Mar 1, 2012
851
Central Ohio
My biggest complaint about my tractor is that sticks get stuck up in the undercarriage when I drive over slash from clearing trees. Probably not specific to my tractor though ;lol
Coincidentally that is one of the reasons I didn't pick Kioti. Kioti made my top 3 list ( Yanmar, Kioti, JD ) . The bottom of my Yanmar actually has a skid plate on it . :)
 

SpaceBus

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Nov 18, 2018
6,117
Downeast Maine
Coincidentally that is one of the reasons I didn't pick Kioti. They made my top 3 list ( Yanmar, Kioti, JD ) . The bottom of my Yanmar actually has a skid plate on it . :)
I suspect I will end up with one pretty soon as well. How thick is yours?
 

SpaceBus

Minister of Fire
Nov 18, 2018
6,117
Downeast Maine
Maybe I can get some opinions on this idea then?

New vs. used?

Pros for new... I know all other history of the tractor; may have some new features; everything like steering and pedals will be very tight still
Cons for new... PRICE!; underpowered due to emissions restrictions; things just are not built like they used to be

Pros for used... PRICE!; power true to tractor potential (no emissions restrictions); things have been built better in the past
Cons for used... don't know the machines history or how it was maintained; controls can be sloppy; finding a good one

Underpowered? What do you mean by this? A 45 hp compact tractor will be 45 hp no matter what the emissions controls are. A diesel particulate filter does not make the tractor any less powerful. It is heavy and adds a bit of complexity. Before moving to Maine I frequently used a 70 HP Ford Cat 2 tractor made in the early 80's and I don't miss it at all. It was stinky, loud, and I honestly prefer the HST on my Kioti (which feels like a betrayal to my "manual or die" mentality). Sometimes I wish my tractor were larger, but I do not wish it were older with less emissions equipment. I really like knowing that my tractor isn't excessively polluting the place where I live with toxic particles and gasses.
 
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walhondingnashua

Feeling the Heat
Jul 23, 2016
398
ohio
Any "underpowered" evidence is totally anecdotal and I am hoping to get more information to support or debunk this. Any time I have heard it or read it, it's usually based on a mowing application and with HST. Tractor bogging down in places with a mower deck running where someone did not have the same issue with an older model. I will be mowing/ brush hogging on hills with whatever I get.

I am totally and completely for emissions controls and will use a machine with them. I just want to be sure running the machine at all will still be productive for me if I am going to spend that much money.
 

SpaceBus

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Nov 18, 2018
6,117
Downeast Maine
Any "underpowered" evidence is totally anecdotal and I am hoping to get more information to support or debunk this. Any time I have heard it or read it, it's usually based on a mowing application and with HST. Tractor bogging down in places with a mower deck running where someone did not have the same issue with an older model. I will be mowing/ brush hogging on hills with whatever I get.

I am totally and completely for emissions controls and will use a machine with them. I just want to be sure running the machine at all will still be productive for me if I am going to spend that much money.

The HST does not lend itself to mowing, this is where a geared transmission really shines. Not saying you can't mow with an HST, but the geared options will be superior. Most of what I do with the tractor involves the loader and working in tight wooded areas, where the HST really shines. If I were going to be doing more mowing the hydro shuttle manual would be my pick in a compact utility tractor. I think a big issue with the tractor bogging down is poor gear selection. Sometimes my tractor bogs if I don't have the RPM high enough or I'm in the wrong gear range, but this happens in a geared tractor if you are in the wrong gear and the RPM is too low. I have a theory that most people using HST tractors don't have much if any experience driving anything with a manual transmission. Usually I run into issues spinning the tires rather than bogging down, and that's with studded forestry chains on the back. Weighted tires would probably help in my situation, but I'm not keen on the locally available ballast options for tires.

Hydrostatic transmissions are the standard in pretty much every piece of heavy equipment besides compact tractors, where they are also gaining more traction. Skid loaders, articulated loaders, excavators, etc. all use HSTs now.
 

walhondingnashua

Feeling the Heat
Jul 23, 2016
398
ohio
We owned a JD 6420 when we still had the family farm. It had a loader so we bought the shuttle transmission. Other than the fact that it was a cable that stretched and needed regular adjustment, I loved it. For my needs, I would buy a compact tractor with a shuttle transmission in a second, but how prevalent are they? I have done a little research, but I'm not sure what I have been finding are shuttle or not?
 

sloeffle

Minister of Fire
Mar 1, 2012
851
Central Ohio
I suspect I will end up with one pretty soon as well. How thick is yours?
Skid plate is about 1/16" thick. I'm not sure what metal gauge that would be. Most importantly it cover the hydraulic filters, and about the middle third of the tractor.

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Another thing I like about the Yanmar is that the diesel tank is covered in metal, or is made out of metal vs plastic. I've heard of folks having their plastic tanks punctured by sticks.

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sloeffle

Minister of Fire
Mar 1, 2012
851
Central Ohio
A CVT is the best of both worlds between a HST and a geared tractor. HST tractors lose a huge amount of PTO HP vs geared tractors also. As I experienced with my JD 770, geared transmissions are a nightmare when it comes to loader work.


Yanmar has their own version and they call it a iHMT.

 
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SpaceBus

Minister of Fire
Nov 18, 2018
6,117
Downeast Maine
I wouldn't say huge amount. In the example of my tractor it's just a few HP compared to the geared tractor.
 

heavy hammer

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Jul 18, 2015
1,819
Kirtland Ohio
If you can afford it I say new. Nothing better than a new piece of equipment. If it has problems a good dealer will take care of you. I like the fact I know the hours, maintenance, bumps scratches in's and out's of my new tractor. Not putting down used but I waited till I could get a new one and I do not regret it one bit. A buddy of mine helped talk me into it right after he purchased his new Kubota.
 

thewoodlands

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Aug 25, 2009
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Foothills of The Adirondacks
I have the backhoe on the 4540, I want to start removing stumps with it but with me on the doxycycline, they recommend staying out of the sun. Tuesday night is my last time taking it so I'll either hope for cloudy days or wait until next weekend to start stump removal.
 
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heavy hammer

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I hope everything works out. I was reading your posts on the other page. This year has been horrible for ticks. One day at work me and a buddy covered 3 miles of our rightaway. I was sprayed down with tick spray and still had 12 ticks on me by days end. Every time I'm in the woods with the dogs they get an inspection and brushing for ticks. With milder winters and wetter and hotter summers they have the perfect conditions.
 
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thewoodlands

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I hope everything works out. I was reading your posts on the other page. This year has been horrible for ticks. One day at work me and a buddy covered 3 miles of our rightaway. I was sprayed down with tick spray and still had 12 ticks on me by days end. Every time I'm in the woods with the dogs they get an inspection and brushing for ticks. With milder winters and wetter and hotter summers they have the perfect conditions.
So far that infected area where the red circle was has diminished a lot, I feel good and so far I'm not having any side effects from the doxy.

I didn't spray my work cloths with Permethrin so I did that the other day. I've been working around the house and the ticks weren't bad.

Hopefully this winter we can have a nice Artic invasion for about two weeks, that should help.
 
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jaoneill

Feeling the Heat
Any "underpowered" evidence is totally anecdotal and I am hoping to get more information to support or debunk this. Any time I have heard it or read it, it's usually based on a mowing application and with HST. Tractor bogging down in places with a mower deck running where someone did not have the same issue with an older model. I will be mowing/ brush hogging on hills with whatever I get.

I am totally and completely for emissions controls and will use a machine with them. I just want to be sure running the machine at all will still be productive for me if I am going to spend that much money.
I have farmed for 50 years and at one time had a "fleet" of 17 tractors. All have their positives and negatives. Some are better suited to a given task than others. In 1978 I bought a new 55hp UTB (Romanian Fiat). It was compact, highly maneuverable, comfortable, quiet, and best of all even working hard (occasional black smoke out the stack) it never burned quite 1 gallon of fuel per hour. The only negative was that it was an open station and even at twice the hp it had nowhere near the traction and pulling ability that my older, gas powered 2 banger Deeres did. In '84 I bought a new 70 hp Sweet Allis. Maneuverability for its size was okay, insulated cab with heat/air/cloth upolstered suspension seat/AM/FM radio with tape deck, was most comfortable. I still own this tractor and since I haven't actively farmed for the past 30 years its major negative hasn't been an issue, but if I still were doing any amount of field work I would own something else and it wouldn't have a turbo. In fact, you would almost have to give me another tractor with one. Where the UTB would chug along pulling a load at 1500rpm and 1/2 gallon of fuel an hour, Allis would, quite literally, stall at the same ground speed and rpm. It is essentially a 45hp engine, gaining its 70hp rating from the turbo, only when turning 2000rpm plus and sucking down 3 gallons of fuel an hour.
In your position I would look for newer used with a reputable, responsive dealer nearby, 1,000 hours or so on the clock, bugs worked out, but not used enough for harsh treatment to have had an effect. Generally units in that category are hard to beat for value.
 

heavy hammer

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Kirtland Ohio
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This is what I have been working on these free dry weekends. The stacks are about 10 feet long 5 foot high. In between mowing and stacking me and copper have also been clearing around the pond while he and my other lab Chase swim. I do not have the tractor in the pics but I have been using it to haul the wood.
 

thewoodlands

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Aug 25, 2009
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Foothills of The Adirondacks