Moving hot air..or cold air..

[TravisNY]

I’m still very happy with the purchase of my Englander 30 but I need help. Part of the reason I got a wood stove was because of my outrageous oil consumption and the wood stove has helped tremendously, that being said I’m still having an issue. My bedroom struggles to get above 67 degrees with the stove ripping, and I don’t even believe it is that warm. Between my stove and bedroom is the living room which has 15’ish vaulted ceilings and the living room floor is sunken in about 8”. My bedroom also has vaulted ceilings. As soon as you get from the living room to the bedroom youre hit with a wall of cold air immediately in the doorway. I’ve tried running both ceiling fans, one ceiling fan, different directions and nothing seems to change it. Any ideas? As soon as the fire dies down the temperature in the room drops and the heat kicks on all night again

 

[TravisNY]

I should note that it’s a “dead air” (I don’t know what else to call it). There’s no draft, it’s jusy noticeable colder

 

[Woodsplitter67]

To be honest with you 67 degrees in the bedroom sounds great.. i keep mine there or below.. sometimes i close the door just to keep the room colder..
You could install a duct in the ceiling of the stove room and run a inline booster fan and discharge the warm air into your bedroom this would work off of a switch that you could turn on and off.
I have something like this for our bedrooms and when it gets down into the teens I will turn it on here and there to warm up the far end of the house

 

[Slocum]

I’m not sure what options you have but I run my fan on my furnace. My heat is off but my fan runs all the time to keep temps even. It cost approximately 9-15$ a month to run the fan on my furnace 24-7. It works for us


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[Woody Stover]

I'm not quite clear on your floor plan and setup. Is the stove in the basement, or is it upstairs, and you are heating the upstairs? Can you post a rough sketch of the floor plan, where the stove and bedroom are, etc?

 

[FPX Dude]

Search around for moving air to your room, but yah, doesn't sound too bad for bedroom.

 

[illini81]

Have you tried a box fan at the entrance of the bedroom pointing OUT of the bedroom? That will blow cold air out, forcing hot air in at the top of the doorway. We do this at a doorway that is a "choke point" for the convection loop in our house between the stove room and bedrooms, and it works quite well. Your mileage may vary, of course, but it might be worth trying.

 

[Beer Belly]

Have you tried a box fan at the entrance of the bedroom pointing OUT of the bedroom? That will blow cold air out, forcing hot air in at the top of the doorway. We do this at a doorway that is a "choke point" for the convection loop in our house between the stove room and bedrooms, and it works quite well. Your mileage may vary, of course, but it might be worth trying.

We have a Split Level Ranch, and use this method to start the air moving, then once it gets going, shut the fan off.....we use a small desk fan and usually good to go after about an hour. If I sit on our stairs, with the fan off, you can feel the cold draft moving toward the living room (stove), the fan will help it along....can get about 7-8 degrees difference between the living room and furthest bedroom with ease.

 

[TravisNY]

 

[TravisNY]

The pictures are not in order so the bottom photo is walking in the front door, the first photo is a picture behind the stove pointing towards living room, second picture is living room to bedroom and third picture is the hallway in my room (this is where all the cold air sits). I agree that 67 is a comfortable temperature however the room rarely will sit at this temperature, as soon as the fire calms down the temperature in the room drops enough to kick the heat on. In the pictures you can see the tower fan (set on low) pulling the cold air out of the room and it seems to be helping but it’s in a very inconvenient spot and isn’t asthectically pleasing at all

 

[Beer Belly]

I've also heard where some will mount a Computer Fan in the upper corner of the doorway to the room needing more heat to pull the warmer air in. I also have my desk fan on the floor, not as high up as yours

 

[MisterFixIT]

I have stove at one end of the house and used to have really cold (55F) bedrooms at the other. I did two things:

1) Put in an outside air kit (OAK), actually made my own with 4" single wall pipe. Stove now consumes outside air that comes in via the crawl space instead of outside air that comes in from the windows in the back bedrooms. Either way ... stove burns outside air. Floors are no longer freezing cold because there isn't any more "bedroom window air" racing across the floor to get burned in the stove.

2) Also put in inline fans with insulated ducting in the crawl space to suck the cool air out of the back rooms and dump it next to the stove. So system moves cool air not warm air. This keeps the warm air in the house and moves it from the living room down the hall.

Of the two upgrades, the OAK created the greatest improvement. Now I just use the circulation fans if the living room gets too hot and/or its really cold outside.

 

[Dobish]

i don't think my bedroom has ever been 67....

 

[begreen]

Is there a basement, crawlspace or slab in the house?

 

[TravisNY]

Crawl space in my room and living room. Basement in the rest of the house

 

[Woody Stover]

I would try two small (8") desk fans; They won't be in the way as much or as visible as the big fan, yet will still move enough air even if you run them on low. Do not run the ceiling fans; They will disrupt the convection loop that you are trying to boost, which happens naturally between rooms of different temperature. You are just trying to help that along a bit.
Put one fan on the floor in the bedroom hallway, against the wall with the door, just before the door, so there's more room to walk around it. This fan, on low, will blow cool, dense air onto the living room floor. Put the second fan on the living room floor, about where the blue toy is, pointing into the stove room. Put this fan on a box or something so that the cool air from it moves above the step, into the stove room.
The vaulted ceilings do hold heat but eventually they fill up to the point where warm air gets down the top of the doorways and can move away from the stove room by convection. We have a vaulted ceiling in the bedroom as well but there is just the main room>small mud room>bedroom in a 1000 sq.ft. house, so heat still moves pretty easily. The bedroom is in the mid 60s, or low 60s when it's single digits outside. We have fleece blankets and a down comforter, so it seems like it's 75 out there.

 

[begreen]

Crawl space in my room and living room. Basement in the rest of the house

I ask because one permanent solution would be to have an intake or two in the colder areas connected by a duct with a quiet inline blower that exhaust through a floor vent in the stove room. That will set up a circulation pattern without having an unsightly fan in the way. The two intakes can be joined by a Y to the main duct that has the inline blower. With some extra wiring the blower could be controlled by a thermostat in the stove room that only turns on the blower once the stove room reaches a set temperature.

 

[TravisNY]

Thanks for the suggestions. The air ended up moving so well with the fan on low that the bedroom got up to 72 and the ceiling fan was slowing spinning without being turned on. I’ll let you guys know what I decide for the permanent solution

 

[Joyboy]

I ask because one permanent solution would be to have an intake or two in the colder areas connected by a duct with a quiet inline blower that exhaust through a floor vent in the stove room. That will set up a circulation pattern without having an unsightly fan in the way. The two intakes can be joined by a Y to the main duct that has the inline blower. With some extra wiring the blower could be controlled by a thermostat in the stove room that only turns on the blower once the stove room reaches a set temperature.

This is exactly what I did in my sons room. Except I had to go through the attic with insulated duct and the inline fan. It works great. The only stumbling block I ran into was when my son got old enough that he wanted his door shut. Lol.

So I cut a hole in his door. Wife made me put the cover on it.

 

[begreen]

So I cut a hole in his door. Wife made me put the cover on it.

That'll work.

 

[TravisNY]

Hahah. Can I run the fan to the basement or do I have to duct it to behind the stove? Basement would be ideal but I want to do what works the best

 

[begreen]

To make the quietest system an inline fan in the basement is best. A quiet, remote, 240cfm bathroom fan like one from Panasonic would work. One or two intakes could be placed at the end of the hallway or in the bedrooms. The outlet grille just needs to be in the stove room, not necessarily by or behind the stove.
https://na.panasonic.com/us/home-an...ality/ventilation-fans/whisperlinetm-remote-1

A cheap version would be something like this.
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[Woody Stover]

A quiet, remote, 240cfm bathroom fan like one from Panasonic would work.

I wonder how much warm air you could pull down to a basement from the upstairs, with the fan pulling cool air off the basement and dumping it into the stove room? Not very much, I guess, unless you went up to a few thousand CFM.

 

[Troutwing]

I’m still very happy with the purchase of my Englander 30 but I need help. Part of the reason I got a wood stove was because of my outrageous oil consumption and the wood stove has helped tremendously, that being said I’m still having an issue. My bedroom struggles to get above 67 degrees with the stove ripping, and I don’t even believe it is that warm. Between my stove and bedroom is the living room which has 15’ish vaulted ceilings and the living room floor is sunken in about 8”. My bedroom also has vaulted ceilings. As soon as you get from the living room to the bedroom youre hit with a wall of cold air immediately in the doorway. I’ve tried running both ceiling fans, one ceiling fan, different directions and nothing seems to change it. Any ideas? As soon as the fire dies down the temperature in the room drops and the heat kicks on all night again

Like MRFIXit said, I recently installed a Wood Pro 1500 in a ranch style home with the stove centered at one end and the master bedroom down a short hall at the other end of the house. I installed 50 feet of oval and round 6 Inch duct from behind the stove to the floor vent in the bedroom. purchased a 150.00 quiet inline duct fan installed half way in the vent pipe. installed a 3 speed fan switch. Interesting thing was that it does work better pulling the cold air from the bedroom out onto the stove and allowing the warm are to find its way down the hall versus trying to pull warm air off the stove and pushing it into the bedroom. Before bedroom was around 65, now its easy to get to 72 and keep at 70. Also installed an outside air kit to stove.

 

[begreen]

Interesting thing was that it does work better pulling the cold air from the bedroom out onto the stove and allowing the warm are to find its way down the hall versus trying to pull warm air off the stove and pushing it into the bedroom. Before bedroom was around 65, now its easy to get to 72 and keep at 70.

Cold air is denser, easier to move.