Need some help finding an insert for my application....

[bmdakk]

I live in a Manufactured( doublewide), on a block foundation, and have been using the prefab fireplace that is in it. I am wanting to find an insert to install but am having no luck. Ive looked at the regency I3100 and The I2400 but was told that these wont work with the dimensions of my prefab place. are there any inserts out there that will fit ehses dimensions?

Front height-------31"
rear inside wall with ---- 18"
firebox depth-----17"
front width-----39"
hearth depth is --- 20"
hearth height-----3"
height to the wood mantle -----45"
depth of mantle-----7 1/2 "


I was told by a local dealer that finding one to fit these dimensions, will be, "slim to none". I hope there is one out there because the next suggestion is to tear out the prefab and install a free standing stove , which is not an option at this time. thanks in advance.

 

[jeff_t]

I'm pretty sure you need an insert that is approved by your fireplace manufacturer, to install in a prefab.

 

[mellow]

You need to look for a zero clearance insert that is approved for install in your model prefab.

See this article for more info on prefabs: https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/articles/install_insert

 

[begreen]

If it's ok to install in this fireplace there should be some units that will work. What's the actual front firebox opening dimension (H & W) of the insert? Do you know the ZC fireplace's make and model number?

 

[bmdakk]

What is ZC? Coleman 36ecm11 the measurement of the fire box are 34" wide at the opening 17" at the far back and 17" deep. kinda shaped like a trapezoid.

 

[begreen]

ZC = zero clearance. What is the front height of the opening, (not the whole front)?

 

[begreen]

OK, this is a Desa unit and it is approved for an insert, though it is a shallow unit. Looks like a 22" x 36" front opening. An Enviro Kodiak 1200 insert would fit and probably a few others.

 

[scratchindirt]

I have the exact same prefab fireplace in my house. I'm still trying to decide whether to tear the whole thing out or put a small insert in it. I know that the Buck Stove Model 18 will fit in the 36 ECMII. (broken link removed to http://www.buckstove.com/wood/model18.html)
It's shaped just like the fireplace and is a well built stove. Still can't convince myself that it's safe to stuff a stove in that prefab box, but it sure would be much simpler than tearing the whole thing out.

 

[FyreBug]

Don't want to highjiack thread, but there are currently no clear cut regulations regarding inserts into ZC's. This is what we now put in all our manuals after verifying with all the various certification bodies:

It is possible to install a wood insert into an existing factory-built zero-clearance fireplace. However, there currently exists no UL or ULC standard specific to that type of conversion. The first thing that must be verified is that the factory-built zero clearance fireplace is listed (it must be certified by a competent certification body such as Omni or Warnock Hersey). It must be suitable for use with solid fuel and nothing in the owner’s manual must specifically prohibit the installation of a fireplace insert. When in doubt, check with the fireplace manufacturer. The installation of the zero-clearance fireplace MUST be thoroughly inspected by a professional in order to ensure that it still meets the manufacturer’s specs and code conformity. The chimney must be of at least 1" (25 mm) larger in diameter to accommodate a required continuous stainless steel liner running from the flue collar to the top of the chimney termination.

Never remove parts that serve to insulate the zero-clearance fireplace from combustible material. Only readily detachable parts that are easily replaced, such as damper parts, screens, and doors, are to be removed from the fireplace. These parts must be stored nearby and available for retrofit if the insert is ever removed. Removal of any parts which render the fireplace unfit for use with solid fuel requires the fireplace to be permanently labelled by the installer as being no longer suitable for solid fuel until the removed parts are replaced and the fireplace is restored to its original certified condition. Furthermore, any air vents, grilles, or louvers that serve to create an air circulation pattern around and outside the zero-clearance fireplace shall never be removed.

In other words, there are no such thing as a ZC certified insert since there is no certification process available. Most if not all inserts should do the trick as long as you meet the above.

The only 'certified' part is if an insert mfg 'tested and approved' one of their model into a specific ZC. The 'certification' as such comes from the MFG not a certifying body.

 

[begreen]

Not a hijack at all, that's all good information and guidance. The first thing I checked was whether the Coleman/Desa manual permitted an insert to be installed. Fortunately, in this case it does.

 

[bmdakk]

Thanks for the great Info guys, I will reasearch the two inserts you provided and see if I can find the locally, and what it is gonna cost to have installed.

 

[bmdakk]

are there any enviro dealers in the USA, I cant get the dealer search to work on the website

 

[begreen]

Yeah, I see what you mean. Their website is messed up and not connecting with the dealer database. Give them a call and let them know: 250-652-6080

 

[salmonhunter]

Im not sure if thise help or not but I had a hard time finding an insert that would fit in my fireplace opening and the only one that the dealer could find was the regency i1200