New Catalyst

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Jarch2202

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Feb 18, 2025
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Vermont
I was getting used to running my vermont castings dauntless stove without a catalyst, but I wanted longer burn times at lower temps so I just installed a new catalyst. I do have an auber thermometer with the stove top magnetic attachment, so I am watching numbers in real time.

After 3 or 4 days of running it i have been running into the same issue after almost everytime I fully load the stove for a long or overnight burn.

I load the wood, on a hot bed of coals, trying to have the STT reading at least 300, and the catalyst probe still in the operating range, or at least close. I will let these logs catch fire for a while, usually 30-45 and get the stove top temp up top 450-500. Then I will close the bypass and start notching the air control back a couple clicks every 5-10 minutes until its about 1/2 to 3/4 of the way closed for the overnight burn ( sometimes I will start right after the bypass closes with it 1-2 notches closed if its already running hot).

I will watch the temps start to stabilize, drop down to 350-400 degrees stt, and the cat probe reading middle to middle high of operating range.

Here is where i get confused. I check outside and i still see some smoke coming out, and I get a bit of a smoldery smell in the house, but no visible smoke coming from anything around the stove that I can find. After about an hour of the temps holding steady around 350-400 it starts to gradually climb up. The cat reading will start to move above the operating zone and stt is swiftly rising above 500.

The only remedy for this seems to be opening the bypass for a couple minutes. Watch the stt rise a bit, then close it and then I will see the temps gradually drop and hold steady from there.

I am trying to figure out what i can do differently operationally so that I can avoid this second step of opening bypass partway through every time.
 
I will add that i have a moisture meter and have a pretty strong certaintly that my wood is 16-19%, with maybe a few stray pieces of ash that are 22-23% but I usually can tell when I pick them up.
 
I will add that i have a moisture meter and have a pretty strong certaintly that my wood is 16-19%, with maybe a few stray pieces of ash that are 22-23% but I usually can tell when I pick them up.
What does the Dauntless manual say about stove top temps? Those numbers seem low to me. If you have wood under 20% I think the option is to leave the bypass open a little longer till the STT gets up to about 600. The one issue I have with these thermometers is how do you know they are accurate? I use an IR thermometer to double check the magnetic ones.

The cat reading will start to move above the operating zone and stt is swiftly rising above 500.
Are you saying that the cat thermometer is above the safe operating zone? That thermometer doesn't have temps marked on it, correct.

I'm back to what does the manual say about the temps?
 
I mean, I trust the 250 dollar thermometer kit that a get more than I trust the coil stove top temperature one I had before, and probably the cat temp probe that came with the catalyst(which you are correct does not have numbers, just a range). The manual does say that readings between 600 and 650 for extended periods can damage the stove. 350-500 is considered in the medium heat output range.
The manual also says that i should be closing the bypass immediately after loading the wood. This method gave me many issues last year and lots of creosote, so I have some trust issues with the manual.

But I hear you, I could be over reacting to the temperature climb, I guess I wanted to really extend my burns to closer to 8 hours and running the stove 550 reduces that.

I also have a fan attached to my stove pipe that really gets going indicating my flue temp is really cooking and when it starts to really move, it makes a clicking noise thst makes me uncomfortable.

I guess your suggestion is to run the stove hotter?
 
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I mean, I trust the 250 dollar thermometer kit that a get more than I trust the coil stove top temperature one I had before, and probably the cat temp probe that came with the catalyst(which you are correct does not have numbers, just a range). The manual does say that readings between 600 and 650 for extended periods can damage the stove. 350-500 is considered in the medium heat output range.
The manual also says that i should be closing the bypass immediately after loading the wood. This method gave me many issues last year and lots of creosote, so I have some trust issues with the manual.

But I hear you, I could be over reacting to the temperature climb, I guess I wanted to really extend my burns to closer to 8 hours and running the stove 550 reduces that.

I also have a fan attached to my stove pipe that really gets going indicating my flue temp is really cooking and when it starts to really move, it makes a clicking noise thst makes me uncomfortable.

I guess your suggestion is to run the stove hotter?
A tad hotter. Increase it a little each burn to see what happens. If it improves things then you can go from there. The burn times are really optimal. When the EPA test is given, they fill the fireboxes pretty full. I always thought that the Dauntless was a bigger stove. In pictures, it looks bigger than it really is. 1.8 c/f firebox and max 16" logs. I know it has the andirons, so do you load E/W? (sideways) or N/S straight in- which probably won't work...

Just have to be careful loading up the firebox that a piece of wood doesn't fall over the andiron and hit the door glass.

I missed above where you said you were using the auber. I was going to buy the 4 channel one and monitor stovetop, stovepipe and cat temps but they want a fair amount of money for that stovetop magnet. Which auber did you get?
 
I did find when rereading the manual i had the magnet in the wrong location, I had it on the cast iron part of the stove top and not the griddle, temps are reading a little bit lower on the griddle. That could certainly change things for me.

I do always load east west and haven't had any issues with pieces falling into the glass

I always struggle with patience before shutting it down, so I will prioritize this and focus less on the cat probe range.

I got the wifi awd deluxe thermometer which I love, I just only have one input for attachements.