New to Pellet stoves. England 25-PDVE

[Sdra68]

Hello, I am new to pellet stoves and am hoping to get a few questions answered.

I recently purchased a used England 25-PDVE man date of 6-05.

I have my stove in a corner installation with 7" clearances to all combustibles, 3" flue, First is a 45, a straight thru the wall, to a clean out tee, up 3 feet, to a 90, then a hood.

I cleaned the unit really well, all new flue pipe.

My questions:

I lite the stove, set to 5 feed,, 9 blower, and light the stove. The stove will come up to temp, room blower starts up, burn for an hour, then the room blower will shut off. It will stay off for anywhere from 15 minutes to a half hour. Then come back on. Is this common? Is this a control on one of the bottom 3 buttons?

The stove sees to burn really dirty, a lot of black soot. The glass soots over in a few hours of burning. Too rich? not enough combustion air?

After doing some reading, I think the first place to start is get it back to the factory settings, and tinker from there. But I am not too sure how to do that. I have seen information for PDVC stoves, are they the same as a PDVE? Is it the same procedure to reset the panel?


Anyway, any and all information would be helpful.

Thank You

 

[mralias]

I have my stove in a corner installation with 7" clearances to all combustibles, 3" flue, First is a 45, a straight thru the wall, to a clean out tee, up 3 feet, to a 90, then a hood.

Welcome!

I think one of your issues is right here. You did not say how much vertical and horizontal pipe you have. Based on (1) 45, (1) T which is considered a 90, (1) 90 and 3 feet of vertical rise only your EVL is 14.5 which requires 4" vent pipe and not 3". I'm sure your "straight thru the wall" is at least 3" so that brings the total to 17.5 EVL which is definitely a 4" vent pipe. This could account for a poor burn. (Some pics of this may help us evaluate this better)

1. What pellet brand are you using? (Easy fix is try a bag or two of a different pellet. Yes it can make a huge difference. I would start here)

2. When you say room blower I am assuming you mean the convection blower, the one that distributes the heat throughout the room. If not please say so as the combustion blower should never shut off while the stove is operating. The reasons the convection blower is shutting off could be the stove is not hot enough to for it to run or the room could be at temp and the thermostat is no longer calling for heat. Do you have an external thermostat on this stove?

3. Do you have an owners manual and did you read it? If not here is a link for one. I would recommend highly you read it.
http://www.englanderstoves.com/manuals/pre-04.25-PDV.pdf

 

[slvrblkk]

Since the stove was used, did you do a COMPLETE cleaning (pull out blowers, blow out every nook and cranny, etc.) of it before you installed it? Did the last owner mention when gaskets were changed last?

 

[Lake Girl]

Sdra68, Welcome to the forum ... how did you make out with your stove?

Do you have a surge protector and CO detector?

 

[Sdra68]

Well, I was able to change the venting around and get it burning much better. I do still have an issue with the convection blower though. It will run intermittently. Come on for a half hour, then shut off. Back on for an hour, off for a short time. I do not have a thermostat wired in, so I assume it should stay on continuously. It was suggested that maybe the unit was not getting hot enough. While I do not have a way of checking temp, I do know the unit is way too hot to touch, so I would think that it would be hot enough to keep the fan running all the time.

Lake Girl, I do have a co detector. And this is the only combustion appliance in the home. A reasonably tight, well insulated home, home, approx. 2000 sqft., and test 1100cfm @50pa. A little more minor air sealing to do. I do not have it on a surge protector as of yet.

 

[slvrblkk]

Blow out the blower with compressed air....there is a thermal overload in the motor I believe, if it gets too hot it will shut down until it cools....might be dust bunnies inside of the motor

 

[Lake Girl]

Wrong manual above: http://www.englandsstoveworks.com/manuals/25-PDVEand25-PDV.pdf
Have you searched the forum for factory preset numbers?
Any error codes showing up?
Blowing out the combustion motor is a good idea - oil if it has oiling ports...
Was the stove previously hooked up to a thermostat? Check to see if jumper wire is still in place...
Hopefully Mike or other Englander owners that know your stove will chime in
Good Luck!

 

[mralias]

Wrong manual above: http://www.englandsstoveworks.com/manuals/25-PDVEand25-PDV.pdf

Think you better check your link. The one I posted is for the following stove which is the number Sdra68 indicated they have. Your link does not show the PDVE only a PDV.

My Link:
INSTALLATION & OPERATION MANUAL

MODEL NUMBERS: 25-PDV, 55-SHP22, and 55-TRP22
25-PDVE and 55-SHP22E
(NOTE: MANUAL ALSO APPLIES TO “AMERICAN HERITAGE”
AND 55-SHP22L PELLET UNITS)

Your Link:
INSTALLATION & OPERATION MANUAL
MODEL NUMBERS: 25-PDV 55-SHP22 55-TRP22

 

[Lake Girl]

Date of manufacture is the difference in the manuals - yours is for pre 04 - his date 6-05 and corresponds to the link I posted.

 

[ericofmaine]

I want to say it sounds like the Air On Temp (one of the bottom 3 buttons) is set higher than 1. That could explain why it keeps shutting off and then why the stove gets too hot to touch as the convection motor isn't removing the heat.

Eric

 

[Lake Girl]

What are the factory preset levels Eric?

 

[ericofmaine]

What are the factory preset levels Eric?

AOT, per lots of other threads should be 1, as Mine was out of the box. The other two were 6 & 4 I believe, although I've throttled mine back a little as I was too hot for my tastes at idle. AOT still at 1.

Eric

 

[Lake Girl]

Thanks! Hope that helps the OP set his back to "normal" as he bought it used.

 

[mralias]

Date of manufacture is the difference in the manuals - yours is for pre 04 - his date 6-05 and corresponds to the link I posted.

It is strange to me that they don't list the PDVE model in that manual. Any idea why that would be? Don't mean to hijack the thread just curious that's all. Although in the website you click on the PDVE link and it brings you to the manual you posted. Confusing. Anyway back to the topic at hand.

 

[Lake Girl]

No idea...

 

[Sdra68]

Mr Alias, I noticed that too, about the PDVE not being listed. That is why I asked the original question about if the PDVE and PDVC were the same unit. I did read somewhere that the bottom three buttons, should be set at 6-4-1 respectively left to right. I did make sure they were set accordingly.

Lake girl, thank you for the link. I have that manual printed out.

Tonight, I am going to look at the blower motor, remove, clean, etc. blow it out with compressed air. Then try it again. If it shuts down, I have a multi meter sitting here and I will check to see if there is current going to the motor, trying to narrow it down between the motor or temp sensor, or....

 

[mralias]

You could always pull the fan and do a direct 110 suicide cord and see if it will continuously run to rule the fan out as an issue.

 

[Sdra68]

The back side was a little dirty. I would think some dust is normal. But certainly nothing too bad. The fan motor looks new. It does look like it was replaced at some time. The gasket is in perfect condition, almost no dirt or dust on it. And the terminal ends of the wires coming from the fan are not the same as others. hmmm.

 

[slvrblkk]

Can you post a pic of the decal on the motor?

 

[Sdra68]

Picked up the camera to take a pic, battery was dead. It's just been that kind of week. Anyway, the motor is a Dayton 3M547D.

 

[slvrblkk]

I believe that might be the wrong combustion motor for your stove...I think the combustion blower for your stove should be 3000 rpm.....that one is listed as 1550....

That might be your problem........

 

[Sdra68]

That was not the combustion motor, That was the convection motor. The one that circulates the room air. This is the motor that has been shutting down. The unit is not wired for a thermostat. So, once the unit comes up to temp, it should continuously run. It will shut down after 45min. and on and off sporadically.

 

[slvrblkk]

Pfffffffttttt....I'm an idiot....sorry about that!

 

[ericofmaine]

I believe that might be the wrong combustion motor for your stove...I think the combustion blower for your stove should be 3000 rpm.....that one is listed as 1550....

That might be your problem........

Earlier the OP was talking convection motor (room air) and that is 1550 RPM (just replaced mine). That's also where my comment about AOT came from. If it is the convection motor (which I don't think so based on the oringinal post) then it should be kicking error codes.

Eric

EDIT: My page hadn't refreshed, I see this has been clarified. To the OP, have you tried a board reset? There's some threads here about how to do it.

 

[Sdra68]

I did try a board reset. I found some directions on here. But...

I unplugged the unit, was told to hold the bottom 3 buttons (at the same time) within 4 seconds, wait 3 seconds, then release buttons.

Wait 5-10 seconds for the F5 read out display to go blank.

Unplug power - wait 5 seconds, plug back in. Should be reset.

I tried this several times, no F5 would ever display.
I also tried to make sure the unit was burning in "D", as I have read that was the factory setting for the unit.

Setting the Heat Mode:
Plug power in, press both the up and down blower speed buttons at the same time, with in 4-5 seconds. you should now see a letter (A, B, C, or D)... no letter appeared.

blah blah..... I tried this several times. it never worked.

I was able to set the three lower buttons to 6-4-1 from left to right.


At this point, it is back together, I fired it up. I am just sitting here waiting for the convection (room blower) motor to shut down to see if it is the motor, or what ever sends the signal to the blower. I'll put a multi meter on it as soon as it shuts off.


BTW, I would really like to thank all of you for the help and ideas. I really do appreciate it.