Well back again and still confused. talked to a sales person over the phone today. He seem to have a pretty good idea of what I'm trying to do as far as heating. Told him that I would be heating 450 square ft. mainly(living and dining room area) and then try and push or draw warm air from that area to bedrooms down the hall. He recommended the Regency 1200. I don't know it's a pretty small stove, what do you guy's think?
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If you're telling the guy that you're heating 450 sq ft- then he should try to sell a small stove. What is the total area that you hope to heat?
Well the house is a 1500 square foot ranch,long with tight hallway and bedrooms off of that hallway. The problem is getting some of the warm air from the living and dinning room areas. to the bedrooms, frankly don't know if it's possible. Fans my move some air down the hall but how much is any ones guess , so basically I'm looking to heat the living room and dining room and kitchen so about 550 square feet. Also may ad a four season room off of living room that would ad an additional 120 sq. ft.. he said medium size would be to much. The whole thing here is I'm trying to lower my oil consumption. Now I don't know if it's even worth it.
The problem is that if you can't move the heat to where you want it, and you try to compensate with a bigger stove- you'll be just uncomfortably hot in that 450 sq ft area. Others here will have a better idea of how to move that heat for you.
Either way- you'll lower oil consumption. Good luck
Either way- you'll lower oil consumption. Good luck
I know that my grandfather heated with a small #602 Jotel very well. He liked it hot....real hot. He was in a ranch about the size you are describing. His bedroom were always stone cold. He purchased one of those little corner fans. Like this one (broken link removed to http://www.gascoals.net/Accessories/DoorwayFan/tabid/1187/Default.aspx) and it really did the trick. Must have brought the rooms up 10Degrees, no lie. But he had that #601 bent right over, and this was an old model no glass no catalytic burner or anything. Here is a picture of the stove, it's the one on the left. I have no idea what the language is thoght. http://jotul.spb.ru/stoves/f602.htm
I have a Regency 1200, heats the downstairs of a split level to about 80 degrees and lots of warm air rises to the second floor as well. They say it will do upto 55k BTUs, which is pretty impressive for a small unit. For a house of your size, it should do a good job, just use the blower and a ceiling fan or two to move the air around
This is bouncing all over, but in the previous thread it was either an Avalon Ranier or the Olympic. Based on that discussion, if you're looking at Regency, I'd move up at least to the 2400i and would consider the 3100i if it would fit. I'd also price out the PE Pacific or Summit for comparison and then go with the dealer/stove you feel the strongest about. These are all good stoves that will heat your house well.
Final word is to remember that you are also planning to add 240 sq ft in Sept. for a total of about 1800 sq ft.. Based on that, I think you'll be ok with the larger stove. But if you err on the side of caution, and get a medium stove, you'll be ok. It will just mean that you have to feed the stove more frequently when it's very cold outside. Just don't get something smaller than 2 cu ft. or you'll be back doing this again next year. Trust me, several others have done it. And some thicker headed people, (yours truly), have done it more than once.
Final word is to remember that you are also planning to add 240 sq ft in Sept. for a total of about 1800 sq ft.. Based on that, I think you'll be ok with the larger stove. But if you err on the side of caution, and get a medium stove, you'll be ok. It will just mean that you have to feed the stove more frequently when it's very cold outside. Just don't get something smaller than 2 cu ft. or you'll be back doing this again next year. Trust me, several others have done it. And some thicker headed people, (yours truly), have done it more than once.
Thanks everyone for your replies. I realize I'm bouncing all over the place but I just can't afford (literally) to make a mistake. I don't want a stove that I will over fire and I don't want one that I will have to run so low that creosote builds up. I'm no dummy just a very careful person.
Thanks TGun. It amazes me that a tiny stove like that could through so much heat. See that's whats confusing me. I would never guess somthing so small would be so effective. Thanks for the pics. and the link to that little corner fan. That things cool. I will most likely buy several of those.TGun9590 said:
skamp said:
We use them, and they are effective. But be prepared to turn up the volume on your tv. a tad bit noisy. but you get used to it after awhile.
I`ll settle for a little noise rather than a lack of heat anyday.
I had the corner fan and am glad we no longer need it. It was noisy. I'll take a bigger fan running on low any day.
skamp, we had the older Jotul 602 and if you pushed it, it put out a lot of heat for it's size. But you almost needed a conveyor belt to feed it when trying to keep a 650-700 stove temp. Good stove, but frequent feeder.
Part of why you want a larger stove is the burn times. Another part is so that you don't have to scrounge around for small splits. And another part is to have some reserves for those single digit nights.
skamp, we had the older Jotul 602 and if you pushed it, it put out a lot of heat for it's size. But you almost needed a conveyor belt to feed it when trying to keep a 650-700 stove temp. Good stove, but frequent feeder.
Part of why you want a larger stove is the burn times. Another part is so that you don't have to scrounge around for small splits. And another part is to have some reserves for those single digit nights.
Thanks BEGreen.BeGreen said:
What temps would I see running a medium size stove in that 450 foot area at medium settings?Also would the stove be OK during the shoulder months? Please recommend some stoves. Dealers around here carry most brands. I realize I am slow in my understanding of this stuff and thanks for being patient with me.
skamp said:
Shoulder months equals smaller fires in the bigger fire box. And perhaps that is the time to burn less desirable firewood? No problem, just get the bigger one. Otherwise, 2 years from now, you will be recycling. :down:
skamp said:
Reread post number 7 in this thread where I made some recommendations. Sounds like you would be mentally most happy with an ~2 cu ft stove.
Remember your original goal is to heat the house, not just the room. Assume that you are going to assist the heat distribution and are trying to heat 1500 to 1800 sq ft of space. Keep the den doors open and a fan running on low at the end of the hallway, pointing towards the stove.
Stove temps are hard to predict without knowing the model, wood burned, amount of wood and time of year. In fall you might be burning short fires that bring the stove up to 500 for an hour or two. In the dead of winter with temps near zero you could be pushing it to a peak around 650-700 depending on your comfort level.
skamp said:
Oh, probably...medium. Ha!, just kidding, skamp. You can get the stove room to 100* if you want to, or you can keep it around 73* if you want to...or whatever. You just need to get a stove in there and learn how to use it. Not too big, but definitely not too small. The colder it is outside, the more work you're gonna be asking the stove to do. The not-so-colder outside, the easier the stove's job. Square footage ratings on stoves are guidelines, not a precise science...and they're "up to xxxx" sorts of numbers. In my little 320 square foot workshop, I have a stove that's "rated" to heat up to 2000 square feet. I have no problem operating the stove at a rate where the stovepipe temperature's good for the system and shop temperature's good for me. Rick
Hi Rick. So your saying a medium stove with a heating capacity of 2000 sq.ft. Wouldn't be to much for my 450 sq.ft. living room and dining room area.
skamp said:
That's pretty much what I'm saying, yes...but, it seems to me that you're really wanting to heat more than just that 450 square feet if you can. If you burn to keep that room comfortably warm in the dead of winter, some of the heat the stove's producing is going to migrate to other parts of the house...heat will always move however it can (radiation, conduction, convection) from hot to cold. If you keep that room completely sealed shut with the stove roaring away, you'll roast in there. But if the room's open to the rest of the structure, and you learn to burn the stove in such a way that you're getting the heat output you want while keeping the stove/stovepipe temps good, then your stove's going to be contributing to keeping the whole place warm, thus decreasing the demand on your other heat source. There are lots of ways of encouraging the flow & mixing of that warm air...blower kit on the stove, ceiling fan(s), etc. Rick
Well that was one darn good reply. I don't know why but you just made a great deal of sense of it all. Thank you very much Rick.
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