Slate Tile Advice

[dylskee]

Hello all,

If you have been following along you might know that I'm in the process of building a hearth for my new Fireview, along with a slew of other projects in the works as well!

I am a great CNC Milling Machinist if I say so myself but a carpenter I am NOT! I have constructed my hearth so far without a problem and now I'm ready to lay the slate tile. I pulled the tiles from the package and these tiles are incredibly different to say the least! The thickness of these tiles vary a lot, I have never tiled before so I need some help. I bought a few more boxes of tile to try and get most of the tiles with the same thickness to make it a little easier on myself. How do I compensate for the thickness of each tile? Do I just use more thinset under the thinner tiles or do I shim it somehow? Any help would be appreciated so I can get this knocked out before the Patriots game tomorrow.

 

[mfglickman]

Hello all,

If you have been following along you might know that I'm in the process of building a hearth for my new Fireview, along with a slew of other projects in the works as well!

I am a great CNC Milling Machinist if I say so myself but a carpenter I am NOT! I have constructed my hearth so far without a problem and now I'm ready to lay the slate tile. I pulled the tiles from the package and these tiles are incredibly different to say the least! The thickness of these tiles vary a lot, I have never tiled before so I need some help. I bought a few more boxes of tile to try and get most of the tiles with the same thickness to make it a little easier on myself. How do I compensate for the thickness of each tile? Do I just use more thinset under the thinner tiles or do I shim it somehow? Any help would be appreciated so I can get this knocked out before the Patriots game tomorrow.
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Do you have enough of one thickness to do your project and of other thicknesses to make up a box to return? That's what I'd tend to do if possible. Shimming doesn't sound like a good idea unless you can figure out the R value business. Maybe you can - I've no idea what that CNC milliing machine thing is! Every time I've bought boxes of tile at Home Depot or Lowe's for a project I've made my own "boxes" before leaving the store to account for broken tiles, variations in color, etc.

I'm sure others will have better ideas. Go Pats!

 

[Pallet Pete]

Hello all,

If you have been following along you might know that I'm in the process of building a hearth for my new Fireview, along with a slew of other projects in the works as well!

I am a great CNC Milling Machinist if I say so myself but a carpenter I am NOT! I have constructed my hearth so far without a problem and now I'm ready to lay the slate tile. I pulled the tiles from the package and these tiles are incredibly different to say the least! The thickness of these tiles vary a lot, I have never tiled before so I need some help. I bought a few more boxes of tile to try and get most of the tiles with the same thickness to make it a little easier on myself. How do I compensate for the thickness of each tile? Do I just use more thinset under the thinner tiles or do I shim it somehow? Any help would be appreciated so I can get this knocked out before the Patriots game tomorrow.
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This Might help ya http://www.doityourself.com/stry/layaslatefloor#b I have tiled a few times but not sleight. Usually I go to the diy website when I don't know and it works out well.

Pete

 

[jeff_t]

Mine were a bit varied, but not that radical. I pretty much just winged it with the mortar. It's not a high traffic area, so I'm not worried about tripping. If I really look I can see it, but it just doesn't stand out.

My tile came from here, not the other stuff from the box stores http://www.vermontslatedepot.com/

 

[dylskee]

Do you have enough of one thickness to do your project and of other thicknesses to make up a box to return? That's what I'd tend to do if possible. Shimming doesn't sound like a good idea unless you can figure out the R value business. Maybe you can - I've no idea what that CNC milliing machine thing is! Every time I've bought boxes of tile at Home Depot or Lowe's for a project I've made my own "boxes" before leaving the store to account for broken tiles, variations in color, etc.

I'm sure others will have better ideas. Go Pats!

That's why I bought 3 more boxes today so I will open them tomorrow and see what I have.

This Might help ya http://www.doityourself.com/stry/layaslatefloor#b I have tiled a few times but not sleight. Usually I go to the diy website when I don't know and it works out well.
Thanks Pete, Ive actually been there several times but I didn't see much on my problem in specific. I will further research though.
Pete

Mine were a bit varied, but not that radical. I pretty much just winged it with the mortar. It's not a high traffic area, so I'm not worried about tripping. If I really look I can see it, but it just doesn't stand out.

My tile came from here, not the other stuff from the box stores http://www.vermontslatedepot.com/

Yeah I shouldn't be too worried because it's just for the stove to sit on so there won't be any traffic on it at all but I'm the type of person that will stare at the inperfections and swear at myself for not doing it right the first time! Just trying to save mysely some time, i want to get my stove fired next weekend. I got my floors done so the pressure is on me now.......

 

[Pallet Pete]

There is nothing like building it yourself you know all the imperfections by heart well everyone else pats you on the back and says great job all you can think about is that on little half a millimeter gap difference between those two tiles.


Ok in seriousness know if you have not got them yet I picked up a box of tile spacers that look like miny crosses. I think they may help you with the spacing and maybe even the leveling out of the tiles to a small extent. http://www.lowes.com/pd_87748-34587-1004_0__?productId=1198399 they really are a huge help !

Pete

 

[dylskee]

I bought 12"X12" tiles, where should I start my tiles? The center or one side or the other? My hearth is going to be 60 3/8 X 48, using 1/4 spacers. I was thinking I would start with the second row from the back with the full tiles. that might make it a little easier for me to lay the rest of the tiles. I'll be cutting a 1/4 from all the back tiles.

 

[jeff_t]

There is nothing like building it yourself you know all the imperfections by heart well everyone else pats you on the back and says great job all you can think about is that on little half a millimeter gap difference between those two tiles.


Pete

That ain't nothing but truth there.

 

[dylskee]

There is nothing like building it yourself you know all the imperfections by heart well everyone else pats you on the back and says great job all you can think about is that on little half a millimeter gap difference between those two tiles.


Ok in seriousness know if you have not got them yet I picked up a box of tile spacers that look like miny crosses. I think they may help you with the spacing and maybe even the leveling out of the tiles to a small extent. http://www.lowes.com/pd_87748-34587-1004_0__?productId=1198399 they really are a huge help !

Pete

Yes you're right pete, I think I have to lighten up a bit and just start slapping tiles down! My main goal is to have a safe place for my stove to sit, I'm not making a piece of art! And thanks for the link, I have spacers but they're the cross type without the circle, I like yours better....

 

[dylskee]

That ain't nothing but truth there.

I love your quote in your sig Jeff, sheldon........

 

[Pallet Pete]

I bought 12"X12" tiles, where should I start my tiles? The center or one side or the other? My hearth is going to be 60 3/8 X 48, using 1/4 spacers. I was thinking I would start with the second row from the back with the full tiles. that might make it a little easier for me to lay the rest of the tiles. I'll be cutting a 1/4 from all the back tiles.

I acctually use slightly different method. Put them all down without grout so you can cut them all and dry fit them all. Then in a order you will remember pick them up and stack them neatly. When you put them down again put enouph grout for one row at a time and go slowly. Another tip is to put a screw down in the beginning then attach a string and do it again on the other side and follow the straight line. After that you should be good to go off the first row. I would start with the wall and work out as you go staying in a straight line.

Pete

 

[raybonz]

I agree with Pete, lay them out dry with spacers first. I used a square and pencil then marked the center line to create an X then worked from the center out to the edge. If grout oozes between the tile let it set up a bit and I used a bamboo shish kabob skewer to clean out the excess (my wife's idea). The rest will clean up when you damp sponge the tiles.

Ray

 

[Jack Straw]

Slate is very brittle and cracks easily, so you want a good, thick layer of thinset. With a thick layer of thinset you can somewhat compensate for the thickness discrepancy.

 

[Stump_Branch]

Two things, love the fireview and slate combo, have it myself. Second love the basket weave pattern, much better then a grid. Magical more thinset. Id lay them out first a well just to get them a close a you can. even the face of slate isn't flush so don't go crazy. What kind of grout are you thinking? Going up the walls with slate too?

 

[raybonz]

I will also add to spread out your mortar in sections marked by the X and to back butter the tile with mortar then place the tile one section at a time.. The true integrity of your tile install is reliant on the mortar fully supporting the tile and this translates to no mortar voids between the tile and the substrate (cement board). All layers must be mortared including the cement board to the floor to realize maximum strength of the hearth. The mortar I am referring to is also known as thinset.

Ray

 

[flusher17]

If it was me, I would use different notch sizes in trowels for the different thicknesses of the slate tiles. Use the largest notch on the thinest tiles and the smaller notches as the tiles get thicker. I like starting with a full tile centered on the front row and then a running bond pattern.

 

[jeff_t]

I will also add to spread out your grout in sections marked by the X and to back butter the tile with grout then place the tile one section at a time.. The true integrity of your tile install is reliant on the grout fully supporting the tile and this translates to no grout voids between the tile and the substrate (cement board). All layers must be grouted including the cement board to the floor to realize maximum strength of the hearth.

Ray

We all understand that you mean mortar

 

[raybonz]

We all understand that you mean mortar

Ooops yes mortar I tend to get the 2 mixed up except when doing the actual work lol.. Sorry about that! I will fix the post..

Ray

 

[dylskee]

Ooops yes mortar I tend to get the 2 mixed up except when doing the actual work lol.. Sorry about that! I will fix the post..

Ray

That's no problem, I knew what you meant. I'm using a pre-mixed thinset. I'm heading down stairs to get started now.....

 

[jeff_t]

Slate is very brittle and cracks easily, so you want a good, thick layer of thinset.

This is the reason I chose the Vermont slate over the Indian and Chinese slate from the box stores. That stuff already looks broken, like huge pieces are going to flake right off .

There is that reason, plus the fact that it came from Vermont. It was over 2x the price with shipping, but I only covered 50 sq ft.

 

[raybonz]

That's no problem, I knew what you meant. I'm using a pre-mixed thinset. I'm heading down stairs to get started now.....

I look forward to seeing your progress! I am very pleased with my finished hearth here There are pics of it posted here somewhere..

Good Luck!

Ray

 

[dylskee]

Two things, love the fireview and slate combo, have it myself. Second love the basket weave pattern, much better then a grid. Magical more thinset. Id lay them out first a well just to get them a close a you can. even the face of slate isn't flush so don't go crazy. What kind of grout are you thinking? Going up the walls with slate too?

I'm not going up the walls, I might do something like that next year but for now I'm just doing the hearth. As for the grout I'm using the brand Simple Grout, a pre-mixed gray color.

 

[raybonz]

This is the reason I chose the Vermont slate over the Indian and Chinese slate from the box stores. That stuff already looks broken, like huge pieces are going to flake right off .

There is that reason, plus the fact that it came from Vermont. It was over 2x the price with shipping, but I only covered 50 sq ft.

Yes there is a big difference to say the least! Vermont slate is a much harder product and looks nicer too! I decided porcelain tile would look good and I bought it on clearance for short money at Best Tile near me.

Ray

 

[raybonz]

I'm not going up the walls, I might do something like that next year but for now I'm just doing the hearth. As for the grout I'm using the brand Simple Grout, a pre-mixed gray color.

I used Permacolor made by Laticrete because you can choose from a huge color assortment.. More $$ but worth it and the whole hearth only set me back under $300.00 ..

Ray

 

[raybonz]

Here is my hearth\stove complete..

Ray