Soundproofing basement ceiling??

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Swedishchef

Minister of Fire
Jan 17, 2010
3,275
Inuvik, Northwest Territories
Hey guys

My basement ceiling is currently not finished. A big issue is that sound transfers through the floor to the upstairs incredibly easy. It is impossible to have a phone conversation downstairs without hearing it upstairs. So imagine if I want to watch movies, sports, etc.

I plan on installing gyprock on the ceiling for an easy finish. What should I do to help block the sound? I am looking for the most affordable/simplistic installation. I know I could install Roxul safe and sound between the joists but I was wondering what other (if any) options are out there.

I know that drop ceilings can have accoustic tiles, etc. But gyprock will cost me about $400, a drop ceiling (nice one to please the Mrs) will cost me about 3K (I have about 850 sq ft to do).

Cheers

Andrew
 

semipro

Minister of Fire
Jan 12, 2009
4,060
SW Virginia

SIERRADMAX

Feeling the Heat
Jan 13, 2011
300
RI
Check out convoluted acoustical foam.
 

firefighterjake

Minister of Fire
Jul 22, 2008
19,403
Unity/Bangor, Maine
. . . just don't set off any indoor pyrotechnics. :(
 

SIERRADMAX

Feeling the Heat
Jan 13, 2011
300
RI
. . . just don't set off any indoor pyrotechnics. :(

Yes, RI had a tragic nightclub fire that engulfed in seconds from an indoor pyrotechnic event. What was lined on the inside walls.... acoustical foam.
 

stee6043

Minister of Fire
Aug 22, 2008
2,648
West Michigan
I would tend to think standard fiberglass insulation between the joists along with your gyprock would provide significant sound deadening. I doubt you'll find many chaper alternatives than standard insulation. If you really want to go nuts put up a layer of insulation (cheapo R13), screw up some OSB and then do your gyprock. But put some rubber washers between the gyprock and OSB. I can hear the silence from here....
 

firefighterjake

Minister of Fire
Jul 22, 2008
19,403
Unity/Bangor, Maine
Yes, RI had a tragic nightclub fire that engulfed in seconds from an indoor pyrotechnic event. What was lined on the inside walls.... acoustical foam.

Seeing where you live I figured you would pick up what I was writing . . . very tragic fire for both those who died and for those who survived.
 

RSNovi

Feeling the Heat
May 12, 2010
415
Michigan
When I installed a drop ceiling, it really made it quiet in the basement. The tiles I used were thicker ones which I liked the looks of, but also had a decent sound attenuation value.
 

ironpony

Minister of Fire
Jan 22, 2010
2,069
mid-ohio via St.Croix USVI
you can not attach panels directly to the joists, there must be some sort of seperation I.E. drop ceiling suspended from wires.. anything attached to the joist will transmit sound upstairs. example building a soundproof wall comprises of 2 seperate 2x4 walls, studs staggered and insulation woven between the studs. same principle on the ceiling, can not have any direct contact. have built theater rooms and this is what works, insulating between the studs helps but as long as ther is contact to the joists, there will be noise. drop ceiling is one option and drywall grid is another
 

woodgeek

Minister of Fire
Jan 27, 2008
4,383
SE PA
If you go the FG batt route.....IIRC compressing a thicker batt into the space will improve performance (more mass/density). I have found the price per sq ft for different thickness batts to be remarkably similar.
 

ironpony

Minister of Fire
Jan 22, 2010
2,069
mid-ohio via St.Croix USVI
the other possibility is to drape fabric under the joists, this will also work depending on the look you are going for. in our theater room there are black and burgandy drapes on the walls and black fabric on the ceiling.
 

Swedishchef

Minister of Fire
Jan 17, 2010
3,275
Inuvik, Northwest Territories
ironpony: what do you mean by drywall grid? Would you use sound isolation strips to hang the drywall? I had thought about using these with 2 sheets of drywall with greenglue in between....

A
 

ironpony

Minister of Fire
Jan 22, 2010
2,069
mid-ohio via St.Croix USVI
very similar to ceiling tile grid but heavier wire and cross bars. you screw the drywall to it and it all hangs like a drop ceiling
 

ironpony

Minister of Fire
Jan 22, 2010
2,069
mid-ohio via St.Croix USVI
it was a haeavier material we picked ouit at the fabric store. not really sure what to call it. we stapled it and let it drape between the floor joist I think every third joist was stapled
 

greg13

Minister of Fire
Jan 5, 2012
907
CNY
What you could try is a double sheetrock ceiling. Lay the first layer up between joists a few inches up and lay the second layer like a regular ceiling. This will create a dead air space with layers of sheetrock to help deaden the noise. It will take some cutting & fitting for the first layer but it should help.
 

Swedishchef

Minister of Fire
Jan 17, 2010
3,275
Inuvik, Northwest Territories
Greg: Thanks for the idea but the problem is that I have I-beams for joists which make fitting near impossible. Especially since I want to install recessed lighting.

Ugh. This is getting complicated. LOL. I just want to be able to watch a movie and not bother anybody.

Andrew
 

firefighterjake

Minister of Fire
Jul 22, 2008
19,403
Unity/Bangor, Maine
Wear headphones? ;)

That's what I do since my wife and I often work different schedules and I don't want to wake her. I have a half-way decent pair of wireless Sennheisers fed off my surround sound system that do a pretty decent job . . . I may not get quite as much of the earth shaking bass or full range of sound as the sound system, but the trade off is I can hear conversations in the TV show or movie quite well . . . and no irate, half-awake, half-asleep wife.
 

semipro

Minister of Fire
Jan 12, 2009
4,060
SW Virginia
What if you were to attach furring strips to the bottom of the i-joists with some sort of flexible isolators and then attach drywall to the furring?
You could also blow in cellulose insulation above the drywall. Its relatively cheap and easy to do.
 

Swedishchef

Minister of Fire
Jan 17, 2010
3,275
Inuvik, Northwest Territories
Wear headphones? ;)
Ha ha. I already do that. I should have said " I just want to be able to watch a movie, play XBOX360 with friends without headphones and not have my wife tell me to turn it down because the kids are sleeping". I think it is now worded better. lol

Smipro: I think that is what I will end up doing. I may just install 1/2 nch drywall with isolators and some fiberglass insulation between. Roxul is too rich for my blood. On top of that I may just install 1/4 inch drywall with green glue to the 1/2 inch piece in 2X2 squares and put strapping along the seams instead of taping. It would look like I have a 2X2 tile ceiling.

Jake: then again, I could just install drywall and get some nice earphones :)

Decisions decisions.

A
 

semipro

Minister of Fire
Jan 12, 2009
4,060
SW Virginia
Ha ha. I already do that. I should have said " I just want to be able to watch a movie, play XBOX360 with friends without headphones and not have my wife tell me to turn it down because the kids are sleeping". I think it is now worded better. lol

Smipro: I think that is what I will end up doing. I may just install 1/2 nch drywall with isolators and some fiberglass insulation between. Roxul is too rich for my blood. On top of that I may just install 1/4 inch drywall with green glue to the 1/2 inch piece in 2X2 squares and put strapping along the seams instead of taping. It would look like I have a 2X2 tile ceiling.

Jake: then again, I could just install drywall and get some nice earphones :)

Decisions decisions.

A
I suspect that the medium pack cellulose you could achieve with big box equipment would be a great sound damper, much better than fiberglass batts. Also, easier and less itchy to install.

I've thought about doing what you describe with the strapping along the seams so I can remove sections to access stuff.
 

RustyShackleford

Minister of Fire
Jan 6, 2009
1,028
NC
I would tend to think standard fiberglass insulation between the joists along with your gyprock would provide significant sound deadening. I doubt you'll find many chaper alternatives than standard insulation. If you really want to go nuts put up a layer of insulation (cheapo R13), screw up some OSB and then do your gyprock. But put some rubber washers between the gyprock and OSB. I can hear the silence from here....
I'm surprised no one mentioned (or not surprised if I missed it) SoundStop board, made by Celotex. It comes in 1/2" 4x8ft sheets that cost $10-15 each IIRC. I put a layer of this underneath the drywall (on one side) in some critical partitions (between common areas and bedrooms) when I built my house; I also put fiberglass between the studs. It works very well.

I see no reason you couldn't put this SoundStop underneath the flooring. Batts between joists or studs doesn't work that well, because the wood provides a coupling between the surfaces on each side. But it's cheap, but insufficient by itself I'd think.
 
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