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Does my plan appear correct (and a question or 3)

Post in 'The Pellet Mill - Pellet and Multifuel Stoves' started by rubytue, Oct 22, 2008.

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  1. rubytue

    rubytue New Member

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    I hate to be another newbie asking the same questions, but if you don't mind another one of those posts... I want to make sure I have distilled what I need to know over the past 2 months of reading here.

    We* are currently "refinishing" our basement (it was finished 30 years ago, we ripped out paneling, reframed, insulated, etc). This will be a multipurpose room, so we will be using it. The house is a split-foyer. We are patiently waiting for the new Englander stove, so at the moment we do not have a stove, specs, or installation instruction. But we would like to get our pipe in now so we can finish the drywall.

    We would like to use the Selkirk Direct-Temp Up-and-out configuration with a corner install for aesthetic reasons (I don't want to see the OAK snaking up to grade). I am thinking we will get one piece of the 14-22" adjustable to account for not knowing the exact height of the exhaust. I think my 45 needs to go between the stove and the T, but I'm can't figure out which pipe to get here. It looks like the pipe before the T is not the dual-chamber pipe, but the direct-temp 45s seem to be all dual chamber. Here is one picture I found. Any suggestions?
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    Our pad will be 45x45" of travertine over concrete. Sufficient size for most stoves?

    The exterior wall is cinder block and the interior is typical 2x4 framed for a total of about 13". The thimble extends to a max of 7", but this is OK because we only need the thimble on the interior portion of the wall, correct? That is, as long as we have half of the thimble extending into the wall to overlap into our cinderblock wall, I think we are OK.

    Direct-Temp is a 4" pipe, so I'm not so concerned with EVL. But my plan is to have a 36" and a 14-22" vertical section inside the basement for a total between about 4' and 6' up for draft (is 5' a min?), 3' through the wall (to go out at least 18"), 2 90s and one 45. So 18-19 EVL.

    Does it sound like I am missing anything? Would it be best to just put in the thimble and horizontal run now and worry about vertical pipe and 45s once we get the stove? As I mentioned the new stove from England's Stove Works is what we want, but we may give up if it doesn't become available soon.

    And since you like pictures, here my mockup (although there is more drywall up now, it all up but the sheet where the thimble will be).
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    * I say "we" to mean mostly my husband. I do the internet research and distill it down, but he does 90% of the work. He is an electrician by trade, but had done just about everything but serious plumbing. He just finished a bathroom addition.

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  2. DiggerJim

    DiggerJim Feeling the Heat

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    You can download the installation manual from Englander's website so you can get a true picture of the parts/pieces/measurements of the stove itself.

    Not sure what you need a 45 for. A Tee off the back, an ell (90) at the ceiling and straight out. I guess you could use it off the back to line up the vertical with the center of the stove but that depends on where the exhaust vent is located on your model as to whether it would be needed.

    Check your manual when you download it - the size will differ a bit due to the location you're picking but you should be good with the size you're considering.

    You're ok.

    You're fine here as well.

    Make sure you have an outlet within 6' of the stove -- right behind it would be ideal from an aesthetic standpoint. Put in the thimble & horizontal run now and wait for the stove to get the rest hooked up.
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    rubytue New Member

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    Thanks for the reassurance! I have learned so much reading here.

    The manuals aren't available on the website yet. In fact, if not for this forum and home depot, I wouldn't know the stove exists and would be very frustrated with our budget and what we can get.
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    What model are you getting in? They have manuals for download on their website, I have used them several times.
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    rubytue New Member

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    The one we want is the Englander 25-EP/Summers Heat 55-shpep. Unless they have updated it since noon, the models aren't on the website.
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    Xena Minister of Fire

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    Shoot Mike a pm with your questions.
    He's with ESW and will definitely know
    the specs/requirements on the unit.

    stoveguy2esw is his username on here.
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    rap69ri New Member

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    That must be a new model, I've never heard of it before. Where did you purchase it? I'd like to see what it looks like.
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    rubytue New Member

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    I know I tend to type too much, so you might have missed where I said it. LOL We don't have it yet as its not available for purchase, but its the one we want. You can do a search on this forum and find a couple pictures stoveguy2esw posted. Home Depot also has it listed here: here

    I'm not holding my breath for this fall. Just trying to be prepared. Or, get things set up so that if we give up waiting we can put something else in.
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    rap69ri New Member

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    I missed that part of your post, sorry. It's a very nice looking stove. I'm already getting envious ;-)
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    rap69ri New Member

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    I knew she didn't have it yet, but how many people on here have purchased stoves and are still waiting for them.
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    Xena Minister of Fire

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    Rubytue the manual is on the ESW web site.
    I just downloaded it from here http://www.englanderstoves.com/manuals.html

    25EP, 55SHPEP, 55TRPEP


    Should be able to gather the specs you are interested in from the manual. G'luck!
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    Oh I don't blame you. Like I said, I type a lot. I have other boards where people tell me they lose stuff b/c I like to tell the *whole* story. *blush* I could swear I saw pictures posted on here, but I searched and searched and couldn't find it. Alas...

    I wonder if Mike will feel his ears burning and come put me out of my misery with a date (or news that its not happening this year and I should look at other options and we will just have the fanciest hearth for an electric space heater for Christmas).

    BTW, to answer earlier questions - yes, there is outlet right over the pad. Dedicated circuit for ease of generator hookup. And the 45 was b/c I wanted a corner install and I'm pretty sure I need a 45 in there somewhere since the thimble can't go through the corner of the house.
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    You are my hero!! I have got to admit, I haven't checked the manual page in awhile, just the main "products" page.

    Off to download and answer the rest of my questions. You all rock!
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    Thanks to the manual link and some geometry refreshing - I'm pretty sure that in a corner configuration my pad needs to be a minimum of 48" on the diagonal, or 34x34". Since we have 9 15x15" travertine tiles to make a 45x45 pad, we should be more than fine.
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    DiggerJim Feeling the Heat

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    Unless the stove has the exhaust coming out the center you'll be okay - they're usually offset to the right or left. Some people put a 45 in there behind the stove so they can get it to line up with the center of the stove so the vertical pipe looks "better". It's an aesthetics thing. If the exhaust is offset to the left for instance, you'd go into the Tee (with a cleanout on the bottom of it), straight up and then the ell (90) will rotate on the vertical to match up to the horizontal section coming thru the thimble on the left side of the corner. Grab a 45 if you want, but make sure you can return it if you find you don't need it. Regardless, back to your original question about EVL, even with the 45 you've got no issues since you're using 4" pipe.

    Good luck.
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