Which stove burns more wood? The hearthstone design of the pacific energy design? I am considering a Alderera T6, but I am not sure if I will just need to put that much more wood into the stove for the longer burn time?
Pacific energy Aldrera t5 vs. Hearthstone Heritage wood use
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Highbeam
Minister of Fire
T5 or t6? Regardless, the hearthstone is much less efficient and will waste more wood. I burned 30 cords in a heritage and there are additional reasons I got rid of it as well.
If I had bought an alderlea I may still have it. I certainly recommend the pe.
The T5 has a secondary air control linked to the primary air lever, which really helps to regulate the output and makes for some surprisingly long burns. At least my super 27 impresses me. Same guts as the T5 in a different wrapper.
Highbeam
Minister of Fire
What they have said. Plus the T5 & T6 can be loaded E/W 16" or shorter in the T5. I never fully load the T5 & get overnight burns with fir logs or large splits, i.e., lots of coals in the morning to get a fire going w/o using kindling.
I am thinking about the T6. I said the T5 for comparassion to the heritage. They have a similar firebox size. I am looking for about a nine or ten hour overnight burn. House is 2200 sq. ft. Bi level with a finished basement. I have a class A stainless insulated chimney with a six inch flue.
Highbeam
Minister of Fire
Go t6, t5 is too small. If burn times are so important to you (they are to me) there are longer burners that would also work.
Thank you Highbeam and to everyone else who has responded to my thread. I really appreciate your time and knowledge. We like the Heritage, but it burns a lot of wood and I am not crazy about the baffle. It does heat the entire house until the temps dip into the single digits. It seems I have to keep filling it.
Highbeam
Minister of Fire
Mine was fully capable of heating my 1700 sf into single digits but it could just barely burn through the night at the lowest setting. The firebox was much smaller than advertised at 2.3. I measured less than 2 which certainly limits it's abilities.
How do you like the ash pan on your Alderea? Does the stove spill ash out of the front door onto the hearth when you open it? How much dust does it produce? Thanks
1) Ash pan -- wife uses for dust pan when cleaning up around the stove. I have never used the ash system on the T5. The ash "hole" is extremely small & inconvenient. I have never understand what the big deal is about shoveling out some ash, but I'm used to doing so after having a Fisher for over 30 yrs.
2) It has a pretty tall ash lip, & ash doesn't spill out unless you have really let it build up too long.
3) Chimney has good draw, so ash dust most stays in stove. I only get dust in the air when I bang the shovel on the ash bucket or door edge. Go gently & it does not get all over. Firewood makes more of a mess than ash ever does -- just never understood all the drama about a little ash!
It's my wife. She does not like the ash dust. So that is a factor in my decision. Thanks for your info. Very much appreciated.
Attaboy
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I have a PE Spectrum Classic with a ash pan that I have never used, to remove ashes I own a '' Ashtrapper '' best ash removal tool ever made you will never send ash in to the air or spill to the floor.
My previous stove was a east-west loader and I always had ashes spilling out and falling to the ground, like the PE Summit my Spectrum Classic is a north - south loader and you never have ash spilling out with a north - south loader even when you open the door too quickly, the Summit being bigger it is also a bit deeper than the Spectrum. They are not dust producers ! The beauty of the Summit aside from being a north - south loader you can also load some wood east - west should you please to, great burn times also with that big Summit.
My 1999 Spectrum Classic has the porcelain cladded panels, it is as beautiful today as it was when installed in February 1999 and still burns bloody GREAT.
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Woody Stover
Minister of Fire
Granted, it's not that big a deal in the larger scheme of things, but neither are most other things we concern ourselves with. That said, I'll wager you've never used a grated ash system such as I have on the Keystone and Dutchwest. If you read dedicated Woodstock threads, here or elsewhere, you will read post after post of recent converts raving over how clean and easy it is with a grate. They ain't never goin' back, and after 15 yrs, neither am I.
When you wanna load, open the door, run a poker through the coals a few times and voila, plenty of room in the box. This is real handy when it's cold out, and you would normally be fighting a buildup of coals with a regular stove, or if you have small stoves like I do. The Keystone also introduces a little air through the ash pan housing and grate, so coaling is never much of a problem. When that load is done, the stove is relatively cool and you are ready to load again. First remove the ash pan when it is fairly cool and walk outside to dump it. Come back in, slide the pan back in and you are ready to load. This process has taken twenty seconds...twice a week for my little stove, once a week or longer on the bigger Woodstocks. No fumbling around it a hot fire box, trying to save the big coals....the big and small coals have been saved for you automatically. No handling or trying to hold a hot bucket as it burns through your gloves.
Now, the Buck 91 had a usable ash dump; Big 3.5 x 5.5" hole, off to one side of the box, with a hinged lid. Easy to scoot the coals to the other side of the stove, then sweep the ash down the hole. That's about the lowest I'd want to go....I'm not messing with a plug or tiny hole in the middle of the box.
My advice to you is to never try a stove with a good ash grate system; You, too, will be ruined, and the number of stoves that you can force yourself to buy will be cut down by 80% or more.
@Woody Stover
"To each their own" That is why we have so many different models/types of stoves.
For me, simple stove design, easy maintenance, solid welded steel firebox with close clearances are priorities, & to others an ash system might be a priority. (Or a rear vent, or a top load, or a side load, or soapstone, or cast iron, etc., etc.)
"To each their own" That is why we have so many different models/types of stoves.
For me, simple stove design, easy maintenance, solid welded steel firebox with close clearances are priorities, & to others an ash system might be a priority. (Or a rear vent, or a top load, or a side load, or soapstone, or cast iron, etc., etc.)
Woody Stover
Minister of Fire
Yep, too bad that probably the majority of us can't see 'em all firsthand without a considerable amount of travel.
Makes it tough. Agreed, a lot to be said for KISS. That's one reason I'm watching the Woodstock AS...no seams to leak. But by no means it it a simple stove like your T5. Parts are cheap, so that's a plus. Rear or top-vent...very rare in a steel stove. Side loader with andirons, nice. Lots for me to like in the stove. Problem is I would have to alter it and maybe my hearth slightly as well, like remove a tile, to squeeze it under my lintel at 28.5" with the ash pan. Just thinking, I'm not ready to make a move yet anyway...
Woody Stover
Minister of Fire
C'mon, man, where is the video of the AshTrapper in action? And we need strong lighting so we can see the ash floating around in the air, like when the sun shines in on the load door when you are shoveling.
This looks similar to the Ash Dragon that has been discussed here from time to time.
Funny thing is, a Jotul Oslo owner will tell you the exact opposite. It clearly depends on the design of the stove. With the ash grate on my side-loaders, it's easy to keep the ash in the stove.
I really like my T5. I put on five splits before turning in, early I must admit, and still have heat and a great bed of coals some 10 hours later. Burns well and is very responsive to control settings.
Good luck with your decision.
Good luck with your decision.
Thanks....the wife has already made the decision for me. Woodstock progress hybrid.....that's the only choice. I have to go by the golden rule.
Granted, it's not that big a deal in the larger scheme of things, but neither are most other things we concern ourselves with. That said, I'll wager you've never used a grated ash system such as I have on the Keystone and Dutchwest. If you read dedicated Woodstock threads, here or elsewhere, you will read post after post of recent converts raving over how clean and easy it is with a grate. They ain't never goin' back, and after 15 yrs, neither am I.
When you wanna load, open the door, run a poker through the coals a few times and voila, plenty of room in the box. This is real handy when it's cold out, and you would normally be fighting a buildup of coals with a regular stove, or if you have small stoves like I do. The Keystone also introduces a little air through the ash pan housing and grate, so coaling is never much of a problem. When that load is done, the stove is relatively cool and you are ready to load again. First remove the ash pan when it is fairly cool and walk outside to dump it. Come back in, slide the pan back in and you are ready to load. This process has taken twenty seconds...twice a week for my little stove, once a week or longer on the bigger Woodstocks. No fumbling around it a hot fire box, trying to save the big coals....the big and small coals have been saved for you automatically. No handling or trying to hold a hot bucket as it burns through your gloves.
Now, the Buck 91 had a usable ash dump; Big 3.5 x 5.5" hole, off to one side of the box, with a hinged lid. Easy to scoot the coals to the other side of the stove, then sweep the ash down the hole. That's about the lowest I'd want to go....I'm not messing with a plug or tiny hole in the middle of the box.
My advice to you is to never try a stove with a good ash grate system; You, too, will be ruined, and the number of stoves that you can force yourself to buy will be cut down by 80% or more.
Thanks woody for all your info. We are going to go with the woodstock progress hybrid. Yes, we are getting the ashpan with it.....
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