2017-18 Blaze King Performance Thread PART 2 (Everything BK)

[Ashful]

For those who haven't been keeping track, the two stoves and 10 cords a year are used to reduce his oil bills somewhat.

Let those of us who don't live in Ashful's house share a moment of quiet gratitude.

lol... yes, "somewhat".

 

[begreen]

begreen, this is different from the language I'm used to seeing, which typically grandfathers existing installations, and imposes requirements only on new installations (modifications, additions, etc.).

Is this difference because it's Canada, versus the US, or is it a sign of things to come elsewhere?

I think this is the most assertive requirements I have seen. No idea of what the future will bring elsewhere.

 

[begreen]

I moved out, up north of Montreal 15 years ago because of the lack of living space, coupled with the overinflated price of housing compared to our salary after our huge tax burden.

I have read about this earlier this year, it infuriates me to see this going on here believe me. They don't even accept most EPA stoves, since they are over 2.5 g/h. You pretty much have to run a pellet stove in montreal, good luck during a power outage.

And then you add the cost of gas, electricity, propane going up across canada because of the "carbon taxes", thank you Trudeau. Anyway, for now, out in the country we are ok, lot of people heating with wood around as we get very cold temperature for 4-5 months a year up here. I see subzero temperature from december through mars if we are lucky. If such regulation would hit us even up here, I would be the first to search for a job in alberta and move my ass away. But I assure you, nothing could make me move back to montreal because of regulations like this.

Well, it is Quebec. There are many EPA stoves currently below 2.5 gm/hr. An exception is made for stoves during power outages greater than 3 hrs.

 

[diverscale]

Well, it is Quebec. There are many EPA stoves currently below 2.5 gm/hr. An exception is made for stoves during power outages greater than 3 hrs.

I don't know what you mean by ''it's Quebec''. We used to be a very patriotic nation, never in the past we were imposed such strangling regulations, we are not california.

Also, majority EPA wood stoves are still above 2.5 g/h, also pretty much all of the ones that my biggest stove store was selling.

The power outage exception won't make people happy. Really, in montreal at least, power outage are pretty rare now. These regulations are pretty much saying to people: you cannot burn wood here anymore.

And for the others asking, I do not think these kind of regulations will extend to the united states. Our electricity is not cheap, but somewhat cheaper that most of you pay (9 canadian cent kw/h), so montreal can ''afford'' to instigate these kind of regulations. Montreal is also known to be a very ''liberal'' city where you see regulations and taxes you don't see anywhere else in Quebec. You won't see northern states like vermon or NY do these kind of things in our lifetime, it would financially crush a lot of people, I.M.O.

 

[coutufr]

For now this only applies to the city of Montreal. There is no regulation in the rest of the province. In the city of New York I think they are looking at regulating wood stoves too. This is for big cities only for now and only to protect the population.

 

[coutufr]

BTW this has nothing to do with global warming or other form of pollution besides smog affecting the people. Burning wood to me is the most ecological way to heat a house. Carbon neutral and a lot less impact on the environment than solar panels and wind turbines that are plain useless to make any significant heat in the winter and require a lot of energy to manufacture and recycle. A tree is beautiful, cost nothing to « manufacture » , doesn’t polute in any possible way, is cheap, grows locally and support wildlife. If someday they ban all wood stoves (like they did 5 years ago in Montreal for new installations) I will be the first to get mad [emoji34]

 

[showrguy]

Reached a milestone yesterday. I cut the last stick of roughly 25 cords of wood that was CSS'd too long for my Ashford 30's. This wood was all cut 2013 - 2015 for my Jotul Firelights, and the thought of re-cutting that much wood (in split form) was almost enough to put me off buying the Ashfords.

Well, 2-1/2 seasons in, I've blown thru it. Just hauled the last 3/4 cord of it up to the house Saturday morning.

In related news, I threw a quarter cord of the newer (2 summers CSS'd) stuff on top of this trailer, I had mentioned a few pages back. This is in reference to folks claiming 3 years was not required to season red oak. Well, I can say that here in SE PA, 3 years is definitely required. Just one day on the younger stuff, and I've had lots of hissing and sizzling come from each reload. It's going to be rough burning this stuff, when I know I have better 3-year wood sitting in the back yard.

I bet if you'd top cover your stacks right away you'd see a difference in seasoning time..

 

[Ashful]

I bet if you'd top cover your stacks right away you'd see a difference in seasoning time..

I suspect you’re right, and I’m working toward that, now. My plans to build a large (900 sq.ft.) woodshed have hit a few obstacles, significant enough for me to consider changing those plans, but my wood will be under roof in the next two years.

 

[jetsam]

I burned a stack (~2 cords) of 2 year seasoned red oak and maple this year. It was all dry enough that it caught right away and didn't hiss at all. I'm finishing the last couple feet now and it's much wetter because the tarp blew off of that end in a recent rainstorm. :/

I COULD just go take off of another stack, but I want this one gone so I can make a new stack there!

 

[gregbesia]

Jetsam, do you know what size is the ID of the flue outlet on theBK prinsess insert? I know it calls for 6 inch .

 

[drz1050]

In the city of New York I think they are looking at regulating wood stoves too. This is for big cities only for now and only to protect the population.

I've been in a lot of houses and apartments there and have never seen a wood stove in NYC.. If you did have one, where would you stack the wood? If you had a place to stack, where would you get the wood from? Maybe some rich folks in Brooklyn have them, maybe some areas of Queens/ Bronx, but there can't be many.

 

[ratsrepus]

I've been in a lot of houses and apartments there and have never seen a wood stove in NYC.. If you did have one, where would you stack the wood? If you had a place to stack, where would you get the wood from? Maybe some rich folks in Brooklyn have them, maybe some areas of Queens/ Bronx, but there can't be many.

Hello firewood guy, drop me off two full cords at 42 and Broadway. How much extra to stack. Oh I forgot to tell you it needs to go to the 60th floor

 

[begreen]

begreen, this is different from the language I'm used to seeing, which typically grandfathers existing installations, and imposes requirements only on new installations (modifications, additions, etc.).

Is this difference because it's Canada, versus the US, or is it a sign of things to come elsewhere?

Can't say, though I have read that Vancouver is also thinking of clamping down on fireplaces. They are usually the dirtiest offenders. It's a serious issue in urban areas, especially when local geography traps this smoke during temperature inversions.
http://www.newwestrecord.ca/news/me...strictions-rile-new-west-residents-1.23141330

 

[jetsam]

Jetsam, do you know what size is the ID of the flue outlet on theBK prinsess insert? I know it calls for 6 inch .

Hmm, no. The best drawing I've seen is from the brochure, and it's only got a few dimensions on it.

Probably a better question for a BK tech than an owner- it's not real convenient to check after installation!

 

[AlbergSteve]

It's happening everywhere, seems like every fall the local paper's opinion page and op-ed light up...(pun intended)

(broken link removed)

https://www.cowichanvalleycitizen.com/opinion/municipality-takes-giant-leap-backwards-on-wood-smoke/

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/wood+smoke+under+fire/11708413/story.html

 

[jetsam]

And here I thought Canada's controversy was about the other kind of lighting up!

If you've chosen to live in an urban area, you've also chosen to have people tell you how to conduct yourself in fairly minute detail, right down to where you may park, how often to mow your lawn, and whether or not you're allowed to go outside and feed the chickens in your underwear. It seems like being told how to heat is a pretty small thing compared to all that...

 

[coutufr]

I've been in a lot of houses and apartments there and have never seen a wood stove in NYC.. If you did have one, where would you stack the wood? If you had a place to stack, where would you get the wood from? Maybe some rich folks in Brooklyn have them, maybe some areas of Queens/ Bronx, but there can't be many.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/...-new-york.html?referer=https://www.google.ca/

I got the information from this article. I have only been to NYC once and never saw a wood stove over there either. Definitely rich folks problem

 

[jetsam]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/...-new-york.html?referer=https://www.google.ca/

I got the information from this article. I have only been to NYC once and never saw a wood stove over there either. Definitely rich folks problem

"buyers can land an apartment with a fireplace in the city for about $500,000, hardly pocket change but still about half Manhattan’s median price."

In other news, someone somewhere would pay $500,000 to "own" a prison cell in someone else's building, which is located in a concrete wasteland... I get the willies just thinking about it.

 

[Highbeam]

Can't say, though I have read that Vancouver is also thinking of clamping down on fireplaces. They are usually the dirtiest offenders. It's a serious issue in urban areas, especially when local geography traps this smoke during temperature inversions.
http://www.newwestrecord.ca/news/me...strictions-rile-new-west-residents-1.23141330

The fact that none of the emissions rules currently apply to fireplaces just demonstrates a bias. I welcome the requirement that fireplaces meet the same standards as wood stoves, it’s only fair. This includes the forced decommissioning or upgrade to clean burning equipment at time of sale.

 

[tarzan]

Fireplaces emissions would be higher but do folks really burn them on a regular bases? When I think of a fireplace in action, I picture special occasions like Christmas Eve and Valantines Day but I could be wrong.

 

[Highbeam]

Fireplaces emissions would be higher but do folks really burn them on a regular bases? When I think of a fireplace in action, I picture special occasions like Christmas Eve and Valantines Day but I could be wrong.

That’s what most of the population thinks of wood stoves! Part time burners or only during power outages.

 

[kf6hap]

Any regs on how lean hamburger must be to be -BQ ed? Are no meat days called for grilli'n?

I do have a big problem with air tubers and poorly designed cat stoves. They are used well "below spec" all the time and are smoke dragons. Fireplaces and old smoke dragons need to be retired/retrofitted. BK might be involved. Most "fireplaces" actually cool the house more than they heat it.

When is the next operating system upgrade for the Ashford coming out? I would hate for a N Korean hacker to max my stove out in the middle of the night.

 

[Tegbert]

Fireplaces emissions would be higher but do folks really burn them on a regular bases? When I think of a fireplace in action, I picture special occasions like Christmas Eve and Valantines Day but I could be wrong.

Where I live there is still a ton of people using their fireplaces on a regular basis. And of course some that switch to an insert or wood stove but most of those are still old smoke dragon types pre emissions requirements. Out of the 8 that burn wood on my street I’m the only one with no visible smoke after startup.


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[coutufr]

In Montreal any solid fuel appliance is under the regulation. Fireplace and wood stoves are considered the same.

 

[coutufr]

And we are technically prohibited to make fires outside. BBQ are not regulated by the city but some condo appartements are only accepting electric ones.