...............in the western mass area. No doubt due to the high costs / greediness (?) of the pellet market. I`d hate to be in the business of selling new pellet stoves.
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jackhammer
Burning Hunk
My guess is low oil prices are putting the hurt on pellet stoves and pellets. When I joined, oil prices were high and the pellet mill had way more activity. If oil prices go up, pellets will become more popular. But I don't see that happening anytime soon, with fracking oil in the market and EV becoming more prevalent.
Sootmaster1990
Member
I've sold quite a few refurbished stoves this summer no problem granted the stuff I sell is usually under 1000$ so it goes quickly
Lake Girl
Moderator
Still relying on our pellet stove as the fuel situation in Ontario is stupid (road taxes and carbon taxes plus captive audiences on refineries and they rotate shut down in the summer so prices are higher). Not sure on heating fuel so using gas for the comparator: International Falls = $2.97/gallon Cdn vs Fort Frances $4.12 Cdn. Comparing Manitoba costs to Ontario per liter: $ 0.85 vs. $1.09
That's true. It really depends on your options, what fuel you use. But I imagine some people in the Northeast US with oil boilers and pellets stoves are ditching the pellets. Or people moving into homes with both, don't see the need for the pellet stove.
Lake Girl
Moderator
As always, it is YMMV. Pricing factors are usually the first consideration. How is NG or propane lining up pricewise in the US?
Even when costs are roughly equal ... the conventional appliance will win out due to ease of use.
Even when costs are roughly equal ... the conventional appliance will win out due to ease of use.
I live in upstate, NY where fuel oil has been relatively cheap for a couple years now. Despite having a fuel oil boiler and hot water baseboard heat, I still burn wood pellets as my primary heat source as it's a more consistent heat and my house is far more comfortable with wood heat. Given we have very cold temps, receive copious amounts of lake effect snow, and have a pretty long heat season in a typical winter, you just can't beat wood heat.
I know there are many other members on this site that have the same experience.
I know there are many other members on this site that have the same experience.
I've always had the luxury of being a NG consumer and yet I've burned for 20 years now. I just upgraded my heating system in my home to a triangle tube condensating boiler with FHW baseboards. NG is so reasonable I think I'll be cutting my pellet usage by more than 50%.
bogieb
Minister of Fire
Will once again use pellets as my primary heat. Propane is at $3.00. The MMBTU charts say I still pay about 1/2 using pellets than I would with propane (assuming the pellets cost $254/ton, which mine do). Plus, I only have heat in the basement if I use pellets AND STILL pay a lot less to heat the entire house with pellets as opposed to just the main floor with propane boiler.
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Oh, and I just like the heat much better anyway
Oh, and I just like the heat much better anyway
I groan about the high cost of pellets often enough but I continue to burn them in my finished basement install. (approx 4 tons) I spend my evenings down there and it`s rather comfy plus the excess heat is vented upstairs . Last year I burned only 300 gals of oil , mostly for hot water. Total heated area is about 2400 sq ft.
jackhammer
Burning Hunk
I have a friend that just bought a new pellet stove (his first) to heat his recently purchased house. I was surprised, considering the cost of other fuels in this area. After I ripped him a new one for not consulting me first, he told me why he bought one. He got a wicked good deal by trading in a old wood stove, and his new house had only electric heat. I told him ok, but that doesn't excuse you for not asking my opinion first!
Lake Girl
Moderator
Lake Girl
Moderator
There doesn't appear to be many used stoves in my area ... a superior option to electric heat and a whole lot easier than a woodstove!
Talking to a neighbour last fall ... the whole family had heated with wood previously. Now all their households have pellet heat
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I have a basement pellet stove in my split. It heats the whole house nice and comfy. Much better than oil ever did. I also use a tank of oil for hot water. Last year I installed a 125 amp sub panel right near the boiler. That gives me plenty of juice to install an ECOsmart instant electric hot water panel that I can hook up to our indirect hot water tank. This way I can get off oil completely! Right now oil is cheap so now is the best time to install an alternative so when the price starts to climb, I can switch over! In fact since my electric is National Grid it may still be cheaper to switch right over now!! Anyway I will be going to electric soon and at the very least have a choice which fuel to use.
Here are pics of my neighbors ECOsmart instant hot water setup for her whole house!
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads...tion-pics-good-efficient.143673/#post-1939059
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jackhammer
Burning Hunk
Enviro Meridan-1. I told him I'd check it out for him, cleaning, operation etc. I'm pretty limited as far as other stoves go, but I know more then him I guess!
Enviros are good. Their dealer support can be exasperating if you bought from a bad dealer, but parts and know-how are plenty.
Good luck, you are your friend's go to guy for stove issues.
Here upstate NY Hudson Valley Area #2 fuel (broken link removed) . I converted from oil boiler to high efficiency propane with locked in price of $1.65 a gallon of propane until April next year. I have 3 tons of pellets stored away. Will have to see how this new boiler with on demand domestic hot water works out. I may use only half my pellet stash this winter.
Lake Girl
Moderator
Did you download a copy of the Enviro Tech Service Manual for him?
http://enviro.com/custom_content/docs/manuals/C-12145 Instruction PELLET Service Manual.pdf
maple1
Minister of Fire
I don't think the pellet market or pellet greed has anything to do with it. Pellet prices have been fairly stable around here for years. Likely more like the cycle of big stove sales when oil was up, is now reversing itself now that oil has been down (relatively) for a season or two now.
Lake Girl
Moderator
Seems to be a revolving cycle of which is the favoured energy source. Once upon a time electric was the cheaper option for hot water/heat in Ontario ... really sad when they sell it cheaper to the border states than in Ontario.
I am just going into my second full season with a pellet stove. Have been firing logs for over 30 years. The wife and I love solid fuel for heat. Wood has always been mostly free with a lot of work. I'm kind of on the fence about pellets for the long haul. If oil prices stay low here in New England for the long term, I suspect pellet sales will continually fall off, which I believe will limit their availability and keep prices higher in the long term. Less manufactures and they will become more of a boutique commodity versus a mainstream fuel. Just a theory I hope does not come to fruition. I hope oil flows and stays low for the sake of our economy, but I hope pellets can stay reasonable and available to make the a reasonable option. Never get tired of watching the flames.
Bioburner
Moderator
World use of pellets has been going up not so much for heating but for power generation.
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