$8000 liner install?

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Madden5116

New Member
Jun 27, 2022
45
Pennsylvania
Ok I'm going to get a couple more bids. I already own the stove so I'm stuck with it. The 26% credit will help a little. This King better kick out some serious heat after going through all of this.

Thanks for the help guys.
 

bigealta

Minister of Fire
May 22, 2010
768
Utah, NJ
You can sell the New stove. Probably get close to what you paid in this market.
 

Ashful

Minister of Fire
Mar 7, 2012
16,516
Philadelphia
It will need to be an oval liner to allow for insulation though
Even an un-insulated stainless 6" with caps on both ends will be much better than running into clay, if it came to that. But my installer managed to get a 6" smoothwall liner with blanket wrap and wire up thru an 8" ID round clay flue. It was a short and straight shot, and I know they struggled a bit with it, but they got it done. I think the blanket was less than 1" thick.
 

Ashful

Minister of Fire
Mar 7, 2012
16,516
Philadelphia
Ok I'm going to get a couple more bids. I already own the stove so I'm stuck with it. The 26% credit will help a little. This King better kick out some serious heat after going through all of this.

Thanks for the help guys.
Is the stove new or used? If new I'd be calling the dealer to see what can be worked out, it's likely they have another customer than could use that King.
 

bholler

Chimney sweep
Staff member
Jan 14, 2014
28,673
central pa
Even an un-insulated stainless 6" with caps on both ends will be much better than running into clay, if it came to that. But my installer managed to get a 6" smoothwall liner with blanket wrap and wire up thru an 8" ID round clay flue. It was a short and straight shot, and I know they struggled a bit with it, but they got it done. I think the blanket was less than 1" thick.
Yes but this isn't 8" round I'd. It's a modern 8x12 which is probably 7x11 inside. Half the time a bare liner won't fit down. And the blanket typically 1/2"
 
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begreen

Mooderator
Staff member
Nov 18, 2005
93,730
South Puget Sound, WA
Not really an option for 8". You will need oval anyway though so it can be insulated even with breakout
Duraliner 8" insulated oval liner is 4.75" x 10.75". Looks close, but tight. If a 6" liner stove like the big Regency 3500 is chosen, then a Duraliner 6" oval liner will definitely fit without the breakout of the tiles.
 
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Todd

Minister of Fire
Nov 19, 2005
9,598
NW Wisconsin
Your clay tile flue looks to be in pretty good shape at the bottom. See if you can inspect the rest of it and if it’s ok I think I’d try the King on it as is. You can always reline it later.
 

begreen

Mooderator
Staff member
Nov 18, 2005
93,730
South Puget Sound, WA
Pardon my ignorance , but why is an 8x12 flue not big enough? It calls for an 8" flue.
The opposite, it is oversized at 72 sq in vs 50 sq in for an 8" round pipe, but it's not horribly oversized.
 

Todd

Minister of Fire
Nov 19, 2005
9,598
NW Wisconsin
Pardon my ignorance , but why is an 8x12 flue not big enough? It calls for an 8" flue.
It’s big enough, may be a tad too big but it may also work just fine depending on other variables. What’s the height?
 

Madden5116

New Member
Jun 27, 2022
45
Pennsylvania
Bigalta beat me to it. Your price for that liner may be half (or less), if you just choose a 6" stove. Buy yourself a BK Princess, slam a 6" corrugated liner up thru that clay flue (no knock-out required), and enjoy the heat.

The King has mind-blowing burn times, but the Princess is the same tech with a smaller fuel tank, and a 6" flue.

The opposite, it is oversized at 72 sq in vs 50 sq in for an 8" round pipe, but it's not horribly oversized.
Oh ok. I read his post wrong.
 

begreen

Mooderator
Staff member
Nov 18, 2005
93,730
South Puget Sound, WA
At 32' height, a bigger issue may be excess draft.
 

Corey

Minister of Fire
Nov 19, 2005
2,693
Midwest
Ya, at 32 feet... in Pennsylvania, you're going to spend all that money on a liner, then you're going to spend more money installing a damper to cut some of the draft you just made, then probably even more money on staples to hold the carpet on the floor, because that thing is still going to be sucking air like a hoover! Plus, you're doing an 8" pipe into an 8x12 flue, so I believe someone said above ~50 square inches 'supposed to have' into 70 square inches actual. That's pretty darn close. Not like putting a 6" pipe into a 12x16 flue which is grossly oversized.

If you were 12-14 feet and in warmer climate, south of the Mason-Dixon or Maui, or somewhere, then it might be an issue.
 

bholler

Chimney sweep
Staff member
Jan 14, 2014
28,673
central pa
Ya, at 32 feet... in Pennsylvania, you're going to spend all that money on a liner, then you're going to spend more money installing a damper to cut some of the draft you just made, then probably even more money on staples to hold the carpet on the floor, because that thing is still going to be sucking air like a hoover! Plus, you're doing an 8" pipe into an 8x12 flue, so I believe someone said above ~50 square inches 'supposed to have' into 70 square inches actual. That's pretty darn close. Not like putting a 6" pipe into a 12x16 flue which is grossly oversized.

If you were 12-14 feet and in warmer climate, south of the Mason-Dixon or Maui, or somewhere, then it might be an issue.
But it isn't insulated which on a tall chimney can lead to big creosote issues. Strength of draft is only one of the many variables involved.
 

bholler

Chimney sweep
Staff member
Jan 14, 2014
28,673
central pa
That’s pretty tall but if the rest of your chimney looks as good as the bottom I’d try it as is first.
You can't see condition of the chimney at all it's covered I a layer of coal ash. I don't think it is responsible at all to be giving the advice to try it as is when we have so little info
 

Todd

Minister of Fire
Nov 19, 2005
9,598
NW Wisconsin
You can't see condition of the chimney at all it's covered I a layer of coal ash. I don't think it is responsible at all to be giving the advice to try it as is when we have so little info
Your right, what I ment was if the chimney is in good shape (properly inspected) why not try the king on it?
 

BKVP

Minister of Fire
You can sell the New stove. Probably get close to what you paid in this market.
You might get more!! We are 12 weeks out for delivery as of today on that model.
 

bholler

Chimney sweep
Staff member
Jan 14, 2014
28,673
central pa
I have an inside chimney if that makes a difference.
Not really. It also increases the clearance requirements to 2" from the outside of the masonry structure to combustibles
 

Madden5116

New Member
Jun 27, 2022
45
Pennsylvania
Screw it. Im hooking it up as is. Im not paying 8k to tear out a perfectly good clay liner. Will consult you guys on my install. First problem I see is my thimble is 7.75".
 

bholler

Chimney sweep
Staff member
Jan 14, 2014
28,673
central pa
Screw it. Im hooking it up as is. Im not paying 8k to tear out a perfectly good clay liner. Will consult you guys on my install. First problem I see is my thimble is 7.75".
As we have all said it shouldn't cost 8k. And may be perfectly safe as is. We have no way of knowing. Does it have the required clearance to combustibles?