Blaze king ashford 30.1 smoke smell/ air leak.

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ohiojoe13

Feeling the Heat
Dec 22, 2014
385
alliance ohio
Hello. I have a blaze king ashford 30.1. It was installed in 2015 and I have had the smoke smell since it was new. (I have posted about it on here previously). I have just learned to live with it. Now I have a new issue. When the stove is on high I'm hearing an air leak sound around the top of the hinge side of the door. I have done the dollar bill test and it's fine. I also have a different gasket that blaze king had my dealer install to help with the smoke smell. The checked the glass and it feels tight. When I run the stove on low I don't hear it. What's my next step to figure out this air leak? Thanks for your help.
 

stoveliker

Minister of Fire
Nov 17, 2019
4,353
Long Island NY
Use smoke/incense to see if it draws in there?
A flame (lighter) might be too disturbed by the convection.
 
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stoveliker

Minister of Fire
Nov 17, 2019
4,353
Long Island NY
Where is the seam in your gasket? At the same place? (Puzzled why an air leak would exist when the dollar bill test is ok - suggests a channel in the gasket rather than a leak because of warped door or flattened gasket...)
 

ohiojoe13

Feeling the Heat
Dec 22, 2014
385
alliance ohio
Where is the seam in your gasket? At the same place? (Puzzled why an air leak would exist when the dollar bill test is ok - suggests a channel in the gasket rather than a leak because of warped door or flattened gasket...)

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stoveliker

Minister of Fire
Nov 17, 2019
4,353
Long Island NY
I can't make out where the seam is, but the top of the gasket seems to be too low. I.e. your door needs to be hung higher; the impression of the knife edge in the gasket is not centered enough.

Not sure how that correlates with smell from a corner though.
 

ohiojoe13

Feeling the Heat
Dec 22, 2014
385
alliance ohio
I can't make out where the seam is, but the top of the gasket seems to be too low. I.e. your door needs to be hung higher; the impression of the knife edge in the gasket is not centered enough.

Not sure how that correlates with smell from a corner though.
I would agree that it's not centered. But The bottom knife edge is similar. So if I adjusted the door for the top knife edge to be centered it would throw off the bottom knife edge. I'm not as worried about the smoke smell as I am the air leak sound. I have learned to live with the smell. Just not sure if the two issues are related.
 

stoveliker

Minister of Fire
Nov 17, 2019
4,353
Long Island NY
Ok. I couldn't see the bottom well. If that's the case, the gasket could have been installed better, imo.

Indeed, if air is going in at a rate you can hear, that's a problem (for burn control and for the cat).

I don't see evidence of that on the door. You wiped the glass though. The gasket is clean though.

I can't hear it from here (...) but I'd see if you can confirm where it rushes in using smoke; see if it gets sucked in.

Also, have you checked that the window is still without play? Put two flat hands, one inside and one outside, see if you can move the glass?
 

ohiojoe13

Feeling the Heat
Dec 22, 2014
385
alliance ohio
Ok. I couldn't see the bottom well. If that's the case, the gasket could have been installed better, imo.

Indeed, if air is going in at a rate you can hear, that's a problem (for burn control and for the cat).

I don't see evidence of that on the door. You wiped the glass though. The gasket is clean though.

I can't hear it from here (...) but I'd see if you can confirm where it rushes in using smoke; see if it gets sucked in.

Also, have you checked that the window is still without play? Put two flat hands, one inside and one outside, see if you can move the glass?
Ok I'll try the smoke. I did check the glass but I can double check it.
 

stoveliker

Minister of Fire
Nov 17, 2019
4,353
Long Island NY
Probably superfluous, but the smoke test should be with a fire burning. If you are too concerned because the sound indicates something major, then it might not be a good idea.
 
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kf6hap

Minister of Fire
Jan 15, 2016
716
Nevada City,Ca.
No, you DON'T have to live with the smoke smell. Make sure the loading door is good and tight. If it still emits smoke you might need a 7/8" gasket and door shims. Call Blaze King, talk to them about this and give them the serial number.
 

ohiojoe13

Feeling the Heat
Dec 22, 2014
385
alliance ohio
No, you DON'T have to live with the smoke smell. Make sure the loading door is good and tight. If it still emits smoke you might need a 7/8" gasket and door shims. Call Blaze King, talk to them about this and give them the serial number.
I have talked with blaze king about the smoke smell several times before. They did send my dealer out to install a different gasket and check the shims. I think It did help but didn't eliminate the smell.
 

kf6hap

Minister of Fire
Jan 15, 2016
716
Nevada City,Ca.
Then, adjust the door latch to be very tight. Make sure to mark the initial position with a pencil and gradually tighten it. I use a molybdenum dry spray on the latch roller to prevent binding and easy latching and it works very well. It lasts year to year. I am 99.999% smoke free whereas before it was intolerable. The Ashford is a dream stove.
 

Ashful

Minister of Fire
Mar 7, 2012
16,342
Philadelphia
Are you sure the noise you're hearing is indeed air being pulled in thru the gasket, and not whooshing thru some internal passage associated with the air wash system?

I agree with stoveliker, time to get some incense. Fire up the sitar, if it helps.

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ohiojoe13

Feeling the Heat
Dec 22, 2014
385
alliance ohio
Then, adjust the door latch to be very tight. Make sure to mark the initial position with a pencil and gradually tighten it. I use a molybdenum dry spray on the latch roller to prevent binding and easy latching and it works very well. It lasts year to year. I am 99.999% smoke free whereas before it was intolerable. The Ashford is a dream stove.
I tried that and ended up breaking the bushing on the door latch.
 

ohiojoe13

Feeling the Heat
Dec 22, 2014
385
alliance ohio
Are you sure the noise you're hearing is indeed air being pulled in thru the gasket, and not whooshing thru some internal passage associated with the air wash system?

I agree with stoveliker, time to get some incense. Fire up the sitar, if it helps.

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It's very possible it's not from air being pulled in thru the gasket. It's just a sound I have never heard in the 6 or 7 years that I have been burning full time.
 
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kf6hap

Minister of Fire
Jan 15, 2016
716
Nevada City,Ca.
They used a 7/8" gasket on mine . If a 3/4" gasket was used, that might very well be the problem.
 

Ashful

Minister of Fire
Mar 7, 2012
16,342
Philadelphia
They used a 7/8" gasket on mine . If a 3/4" gasket was used, that might very well be the problem.
BK was experimenting with a new gasket material or geometry, for the handful of hearth.com posters who were experiencing this smoke smell issue. From my memory, it had worked in most cases, but BKVP could give better detail on that. I do remember there were one or two cases that were either never solved, or resulted in the customer just getting too frustrated to continue the experiments, and swapping their Ashfords out for another stove.

It was a real bummer to watch people go thru that, since they're really a fantastic stove when you're not dealing with a smoke smell issue, and BK has been a great company to deal with support.
 

kf6hap

Minister of Fire
Jan 15, 2016
716
Nevada City,Ca.
One other thing I failed to mention is the 7/8" gasket that was installed was graphite loaded. That may or may not make a difference. After firing the stove creosote accumulates on and within the gasket and that is the only thing I smell. Creo is stinky stuff especially if it is hot. No smoke leakage. The smell can only be sensed if you hang your nose directly over the stove. I believe little tornadoes within the stove actually blow the smoke through the gasket to produce the smoke smell. It is difficult to see the thickness difference between a 7/8" and a 3/4" gasket. Perhaps the door warps slightly upon heating in the stoves that are prone to being smelly.