Buy a secong King ultra stove or spray foam everywhere?

[Niko]

What benefit do you think i would see more? Spray foam entire house, walls, roof. Or get another blaze king ultra stove upstairs?


So after 3 years of using my king downstairs in my house i am thinking of what to do the folowing years. I think i have gathered enough data to see what I need. Stove burns execellent and no worries about it. Just gettign the heat upstaits is not very efficient. i have tried many different approaches and in the end i let natural convection do its job.

House is 3,000 sqaure feet

Stove is downstairs and keeps pretty much everywhere in the 80 degress when I do 24 hr burns. When the temps get well below 30 the temps downstairs will be 75 with a burn time of the same 24 hr.

Now my upstsirs will stay 70ish when the temps stay above 30 but when they get below temps start to vary, Depending on rooms i will see 70 down to 62. I out individual thermometers in each room tomgather data and the farthest room which is above the garage will get 62. The house upstairs has 2 zones and i set the coldest zone to 67 so my little one dont get cold at night. So with ine zone on upstairs the temps stay around 64-68 threw out the whole house. I only fill my oil tanks once a year i have (2) 265 galloon tanks.

So I spray foamed the garage cieling when i first bought the house with closed cell. Cost me around 2500 dollars

Srpay works but it is very expensive. Im also not sure of the real world results at the expense of probably 8 grand if not more. I mean it did help in the garage but not as much as i thought it would. Maybe it's cause inhave alot more air leaks.

Now my stove I got real world results the within 2 years of owning it. Keeping the whole downstairs at such a nice warm temp in winter would cost my a fortune in oil or gas. I think it cost me 400 bucks in wood for the whole winter.


what would you guys do?

 

[begreen]

Install of the new stove + chimney is going to be expensive. Plus each load of wood will need to be carried through the house to upstairs. Is there a possibility of assisting heat convection through the house to upstairs and running the current stove a bit harder, say for 16 hr burns?

 

[Squisher]

Could you not turn the king up more and drop your burn time to say 12hrs or so to get more btu's?

 

[Snotrocket]

Wood is very labor intensive.

I would spray foam in a heart beat vs installing, feeding, and maintaining a second stove.

 

[Easy Livin’ 3000]

I'm in agreement, the prospect of increasing my wood heat work load in perpetuity is a bit more than I could bear, and still keep my day job. The foam just sits there and works 24-7 for you.

 

[BKVP]

It won't shock any of you, but I think another BK is in order. Why? Because.

I have begun tightening up my 1895 house and already see vast improvements in comfort level and less wood consumption. If your city has an energy assistance or rebate program, take advantage of it. Go for the foam, just don't tell the Pres. I said that.

 

[Niko]

I have turned the stove up to bring more heat up but that makes my downstairs unbearable to stay in. I have had my temps down their at like 95 But it only makes a couple degree difference upstairs for a 15 degree increase of heat downstairs.

My man cave is downstairs and its no fun when the temps get above 80 really. I didnt explain all the details for my reasoning of a second stove but this is a big factor for me. Being able to stay downstairs so we can enjoy the downstairs.

I am curious to know if by adding the spray foam my temps will stay around the 70 degree all threw out the up stairs with out turning up my stove up anymore above my 80 degree mark.

The wood is not that much work for me both stoves are near doors to outside so im not really bringing it threw the house. I have a awesome wood splitter and awesome chainsaw a awesome log supplier and a tractor to move stuff around in. It would be more work, but the stove I have now i ash it out like once every 3 weeks to a month.

Obviosuly having one stove wood be awesome but turning up the temps are not a scenario i want to be in the every winter use.

Getting a second stove i can even turn the temps lower like in the lower 70 and get my 35+hr burn times.

I don't want to sound like i have made my mind up as i have not both are not a cheap.

 

[Niko]

It won't shock any of you, but I think another BK is in order. Why? Because.

I have begun tightening up my 1895 house and already see vast improvements in comfort level and less wood consumption. If your city has an energy assistance or rebate program, take advantage of it. Go for the foam, just don't tell the Pres. I said that.

Hey thanks for the package you sent me a lil bit ago. I have not installed it yet waiting to ash out my King .

 

[Squisher]

I agree I have two stoves now, with way less burn time capability then a BK king and I don't find it an issue. I run the basement 24/7 and I'll have a fire upstairs in the evening for a little boost to the upstairs if need be.

Same kind of set up. Tractor, splitter, good wood supply. Makes it easy peasy.

 

[Niko]

Please vote up top

 

[begreen]

Increased insulation is going to benefit the house year round. It will reduce cooling costs as well as heating. The second stove will only be a benefit when temps get cold.

 

[Squisher]

All true. But! You do get to see and touch the new stove. Ohhhhh. Shiny newness.

 

[bholler]

I am curious why you would be going for another king anyway. You certainly don't need a second stove that big. smaller stove for upstairs that will run on a 6" stack. It will cost less and you can get one that looks allot better than the king as well.

 

[Niko]

Increased insulation is going to benefit the house year round. It will reduce cooling costs as well as heating. The second stove will only be a benefit when temps get cold.

Very true but i have to have one foam installer gaurantee me that me temps will stay above 70 in the colder months, or even give me some type of reasurnance.

In the summeri am good. We have one in wall ac the cools the whole place perfect. Bit then agsin cold aor moves around better then hot.

 

[Niko]

I am curious why you would be going for another king anyway. You certainly don't need a second stove that big. smaller stove for upstairs that will run on a 6" stack. It will cost less and you can get one that looks allot better than the king as well.

Every stove is gonna take up a foot print. Mine has proven me it can go the job. It looks awesome to me, i mean its a wood stove not e65AMG. It does it joh while we watch movies amd sleep.

 

[begreen]

Very true but i have to have one foam installer gaurantee me that me temps will stay above 70 in the colder months, or even give me some type of reasurnance.

In the summeri am good. We have one in wall ac the cools the whole place perfect. Bit then agsin cold aor moves around better then hot.

How could the foam installer guarantee that? A good home energy auditor or someone used to doing heat loss calcs would be a better one to ask that question.

Yes, moving cold air is easier. That may make this a simple question of assisting convection and raising the existing stove output. We would need floor plan sketches to see if something looks possible.

 

[mcdougy]

What is your attic insulation like? 80% of heat loss is lost thru the ceiling/attic. Start with the easy improvements....attic, joist ends, leaky doors and windows. You WILL see improvements with any improvements in those 3 areas. What is your spray foam installer wanting to do?

 

[bholler]

Every stove is gonna take up a foot print. Mine has proven me it can go the job. It looks awesome to me, i mean its a wood stove not e65AMG. It does it joh while we watch movies amd sleep.

If you like the look fine but why go with another king? I just think you would be over doing it with another stove that big. But to each their own

 

[begreen]

Is foam the only insulation improvement option for this house's construction?

 

[Easy Livin’ 3000]

I have turned the stove up to bring more heat up but that makes my downstairs unbearable to stay in. I have had my temps down their at like 95 But it only makes a couple degree difference upstairs for a 15 degree increase of heat downstairs.

My man cave is downstairs and its no fun when the temps get above 80 really. I didnt explain all the details for my reasoning of a second stove but this is a big factor for me. Being able to stay downstairs so we can enjoy the downstairs.

I am curious to know if by adding the spray foam my temps will stay around the 70 degree all threw out the up stairs with out turning up my stove up anymore above my 80 degree mark.

The wood is not that much work for me both stoves are near doors to outside so im not really bringing it threw the house. I have a awesome wood splitter and awesome chainsaw a awesome log supplier and a tractor to move stuff around in. It would be more work, but the stove I have now i ash it out like once every 3 weeks to a month.

Obviosuly having one stove wood be awesome but turning up the temps are not a scenario i want to be in the every winter use.

Getting a second stove i can even turn the temps lower like in the lower 70 and get my 35+hr burn times.

I don't want to sound like i have made my mind up as i have not both are not a cheap.

I totally understand your desire to have another stove so both of your primary living spaces are covered. I've had similar thoughts myself, and another stove is part of the plan if we ever get the addition built. Aesthetically, the second stove wins, hands down.

That said, I've just spent the last 4 weekends, full time, cutting, splitting, stacking, hauling, and burning almost 24/7. No amount of cool toys would make the task easier on my body or less time consuming than my current setup (badly need a big woodshed, though). And, I love doing it, as well as the results.

Practically speaking, the insulation will be like contributing to an investment account, the stove, maybe a bit more like buying a boat. The boat is way more fun, but way more work, the investment account just sits there and makes you more money. Neither is wrong, just depends on what you want.

 

[Niko]

How could the foam installer guarantee that? A good home energy auditor or someone used to doing heat loss calcs would be a better one to ask that question.

Yes, moving cold air is easier. That may make this a simple question of assisting convection and raising the existing stove output. We would need floor plan sketches to see if something looks possible.

I don't know how he is gonna persuade me but they are the professionals not me. I'd like some type of gaurentee that the temps will be warmer st least. They have said about doing the attic and then injecting spray foam in my walls

I do know if I install a second stove my upstairs will be warm and toasty. I know wood splitting is a labor intensive task. That's why I am looking into spray foam.

 

[Niko]

If you like the look fine but why go with another king? I just think you would be over doing it with another stove that big. But to each their own

Buying the same stove will at least keep all my splits the same size.

 

[Niko]

I totally understand your desire to have another stove so both of your primary living spaces are covered. I've had similar thoughts myself, and another stove is part of the plan if we ever get the addition built. Aesthetically, the second stove wins, hands down.

That said, I've just spent the last 4 weekends, full time, cutting, splitting, stacking, hauling, and burning almost 24/7. No amount of cool toys would make the task easier on my body or less time consuming than my current setup (badly need a big woodshed, though). And, I love doing it, as well as the results.

Practically speaking, the insulation will be like contributing to an investment account, the stove, maybe a bit more like buying a boat. The boat is way more fun, but way more work, the investment account just sits there and makes you more money. Neither is wrong, just depends on what you want.

How about this scenario i pay all this money for the spray foam and my upstairs Is still cold.

This is something i am afraid of happening and then I gotta buy a stove on top of it.

 

[webby3650]

I've cut into a lot of spray foamed roof decks that are saturated with water. I see lots and lots of new houses with water problems associated with foaming the roof deck. The walls I would do, not in the attic though.

 

[bholler]

I don't know how he is gonna persuade me but they are the professionals not me. I'd like some type of gaurentee that the temps will be warmer st least. They have said about doing the attic and then injecting spray foam in my walls

There is no way any insulation pro will give you a guarantee like that. I am sure increasing the insulation will make it easier to maintain heat in the house but there is no way for us to know to what extent.