Can we still install pre EPA stoves that are Brand new? what things do we need to know We are new

[Marie is cold]

Hi there. We are relatively new to woodburning in that we have had woodburning stove before as supplemental heat in Mobile home additions etc. We have a big post and beam home with vaulted ceilings and large windows. It is chilly in the dining room and livingroom in the winters. We have looked at woodburning stoves before and favour the look and idea of the soapstone fireplace/stoves. We have come across a small Woodstock Soapstone classic firebox style wood burning stove. It would look great in the corner of our dining room. We woul want to install it lengthwise in the corner with the short wall at the back going into the corner and the short wall with the beautiful little fire door facing into the room. This Stove has the flue opening (5") on the Left long side and the other long side is cast framed clear double wall soapstone. So the questions are; can these be installed in the home? Manufacture date is between 1978 and 1981 but the stove is new. As mentioned is has a soapstone long side, rear short side, solid soapstone top that is hinged to open, a combination cast door and soapstone front, and a 1/2 soapstone 1/2 steel flue side. It is up on legs and looks like a parlour stove.

 

[moresnow]

Any chance of getting a few pics loaded up here? Like to see this stove.

 

[rwhite]

Need To ask local authorities. Some U.S. states do not allow pre-EPA stoves while others do. I'm sure it's similar to the north.

 

[Marie is cold]

Hi moresnow here is a pic of the stove. Its flue opening is 5" and is on the long wall against the doorframe, so not out the short backwall opposite the door. This stove has a massive amount of soapstone content for its size. It is 20" wide X 26" long X 28" high with the legs. It is a double wall of soapstone with the inside box walls being solid soapstone with the exception of the back wall which is 1/2 to 2/3rds soapstone with the top 1/3 being plate steel to accommodate the flue opening. If you go to (broken link removed), you can see a step by step slideshow of the building of a "Fireview stove. This is the same stove frame as this Classic stove, with the added front fireview window and the EPA catalytic converter.

 

[Marie is cold]

Need To ask local authorities. Some U.S. states do not allow pre-EPA stoves while others do. I'm sure it's similar to the north.

 

[Marie is cold]

Any chance of getting a few pics loaded up here? Like to see this stove.

 

[Babaganoosh]

I'd call woodstock and see if they will give you some trade in credit towards an epa stove. They might take that off your hands.

Modern stoves are so much better than older stoves. That stove is beautiful though.

 

[Marie is cold]

I'd call woodstock and see if they will give you some trade in credit towards an epa stove. They might take that off your hands.

Modern stoves are so much better than older stoves. That stove is beautiful though.

Babaganoosh. Hi we have not purchased it and the shipping would be astronomical across Canada to eastern US. I would be using it only for supplemental heat when it gets below -20C here as our dining room is large and has lots of windows and is chilly then. Saw it at a Wheelrights shop, brandnew and wondered if we might install it, and what we should consider. As in what hazards to watch out for when installing, distance from walls etc.

 

[byQ]

Nice looking old stove. If you call woodstock you might as well ask if this stove could be ungraded with cat - it probably can't but you never know.

 

[Marie is cold]

Hi byQ. Woodstock sent me an email to say this was their early Classic woodburning stove models. He says it is similar to the fireside but with the cat inside. It would be great to upgrade but if you saw the interior of this stove you would see there is nothing to mount the cat to as it is solid soapstone except the door and back flue wall and the floor which is fire brick. They suggested a damper in the pipe to slow the burn down. We have been looking at soapstone (tuklivis) for a while both for their beauty and because unlike steel stoves that get extremely hot then cool down quickly when the fire is out, the soapstone heats slowly and retains 10X the heat of steeland radiates it out for hours after. This is the attraction to soapstone stoves. For in the home. However the cost is almost prohibitive to purchase one. This one is the old firebox style but has never had a fire in it.

 

[Bad LP]

That is a very nice looking stove.

I would be the last person on earth asking for permission to install that in my home. I would just do it given that my home is rather remote and only have one barely visible neighbor.
Oh wait. . . I didn't ask permission to install the VC Vigilant stove that is in my house right now.

 

[Marie is cold]

That is a very nice looking stove.

I would be the last person on earth asking for permission to install that in my home. I would just do it given that my home is rather remote and only have one barely visible neighbor.
Oh wait. . . I didn't ask permission to install the VC Vigilant stove that is in my house right now.

Bad Bad LP...... and yes same story here. What we need to know is how to do it safely, we do love our country home but "wood" like it warmer on Coldest days. Otherwise this "Wood" be a beautiful corneter stand. Here are 2 pics of how wekd like to install it.

 

[Marie is cold]

What we need to know is about stovepipe and how to build the 1" clearance firewall on 2 sides?

 

[BrotherBart]

Here are the BC woodstove regulations that went into effect last month. Though it says you can continue to use your old wood stove it is dicey whether you can install an older wood stove now. The fines are at the end of the document.

If BC required a WETT inspection of a new installation that will probably shut you down right there.

http://www.bcairquality.ca/pdf/sfbdar_q-a.pdf

 

[bholler]

I would be the last person on earth asking for permission to install that in my home. I would just do it given that my home is rather remote and only have one barely visible neighbor.
Oh wait. . . I didn't ask permission to install the VC Vigilant stove that is in my house right now.

The problem is what happens if something goes wrong? If it is an illegal install good luck getting your insurance company to approve a claim. There also can be some healthy fines if you get caught.

 

[Marie is cold]

HhhMmm I see.......

 

[Bad LP]

I didn't say anything about an install that is not to code so what's illegal?

As for allowing the EPA entry into my home.... . Good luck with that.

 

[Marie is cold]

I didn't say anything about an install that is not to code so what's illegal?

As for allowing the EPA entry into my home.... . Good luck with that.

 

[Marie is cold]

Nothing just looking for "To code" pointers to make sure it is installed safely. We've had it for a while but haven't used/payed for it yet.

 

[begreen]

Whether it is legal or not will depend on the local state or province regulations. Check with the inspecting authority. If it's ok, you'll need to follow the manufacturer's guidelines in the manual. If none, then in the states one follows NFPA 211 rules. In Canada there are WETT guidelines.

 

[Marie is cold]

Yep thanks. It has been in our home a while but didn't pay for it yet just wanted some pointers for safe(r?) installation before burning. Rather than a corner stand as it is now.

 

[bholler]

didn't say anything about an install that is not to code so what's illegal?

As for allowing the EPA entry into my home.... . Good luck with that.

if you are barred from installing the stove in your house by law doing so would make that install illegal. Not very complicated. And as far as your comment about allowing the EPA into your home that is just silly. All the EPA did was set emissions standards. They did not design the stove and they make no money off of the stove. The fact is that new stoves give you more heat from each piece of wood while keeping your chimney cleaner and putting less pollution into the atmosphere. What is bad about that?

 

[Bad LP]

I guess we could go around and around on the topic however my post remains as stated.

If some goody two shoes calls and complains that my stove is putting out too much smoke that's tough cookies for them. I don't care about the EPA or their regulations on wood stoves. Each pound of wood only contains X amount of BTU's. I hardly care if the amount extracted is 75 or 85%.

 

[begreen]

Yep thanks. It has been in our home a while but didn't pay for it yet just wanted some pointers for safe(r?) installation before burning. Rather than a corner stand as it is now.

It's going to depend on your area. Get on the phone, find out who is the inspecting authority in your region and ask if it is ok as long as the stove is installed properly. If ok, do you have the stove manual? If not have you contacted Woodstock? Agreed that it looks like it might be an early version of the Fireview Classic.

NFPA guidelines say that it must be installed with 36" clearances in all directions. This can be reduced to as low as 12" with proper wall shielding. And it must be installed on a proper hearth unless the floor is a cement slab or thick hearth. But this is for the US, not Canada. Canada's regs are sometime the same but often a little stricter.

 

[begreen]

I guess we could go around and around on the topic however my post remains as stated.

If some goody two shoes calls and complains that my stove is putting out too much smoke that's tough cookies for them. I don't care about the EPA or their regulations on wood stoves. Each pound of wood only contains X amount of BTU's. I hardly care if the amount extracted is 75 or 85%.

The difference is more like 50% vs 75%. That's a 50% increase in efficiency which can equal a lot of wood saved.