Two generations left. Think $4/gallon is bad? How long before denial is not an option?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42224813
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42224813
BeGreen said:Two generations left. Think $4/gallon is bad? How long before denial is not an option?
Amaralluis said:I remember in the 80's hearing about that oil would last for 20 years, so if we are now at 50 years we are doing pretty good actually.
BeGreen said:Two generations left. Think $4/gallon is bad? How long before denial is not an option?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42224813
north of 60 said:When I read the posts here on this site about the amount of heating fuel people burn to heat there uninsulated old homes in the lower States and Canada with those mild climates on top of heating with a stove , I think is just sickening. These areas need to be addressed to stop the big dent in oil consumption. The money they are spending on oil leaves them broke to do any home upgrades after mortgage payments etc... Its an ignorant vicious circle. Owning and driving vehicles is another story. :zip:
The problem with buying them woodstoves is you would have to cut their wood for them too! 90% of the population won't do that kind of manual labor. ITS WORK!!trump said:north of 60 said:When I read the posts here on this site about the amount of heating fuel people burn to heat there uninsulated old homes in the lower States and Canada with those mild climates on top of heating with a stove , I think is just sickening. These areas need to be addressed to stop the big dent in oil consumption. The money they are spending on oil leaves them broke to do any home upgrades after mortgage payments etc... Its an ignorant vicious circle. Owning and driving vehicles is another story. :zip:
Thats exactly why im against the "free" heating fuel program in the states(which obama cut in half by the way) Theres no attempt to solve the problem with conservation or insulation just pay to kick the can down the road another year. Would make more sense to buy people wood stoves than pay for their oil.
mr.fixit said:The problem with buying them woodstoves is you would have to cut their wood for them too! 90% of the population won't do that kind of manual labor. ITS WORK!!trump said:north of 60 said:When I read the posts here on this site about the amount of heating fuel people burn to heat there uninsulated old homes in the lower States and Canada with those mild climates on top of heating with a stove , I think is just sickening. These areas need to be addressed to stop the big dent in oil consumption. The money they are spending on oil leaves them broke to do any home upgrades after mortgage payments etc... Its an ignorant vicious circle. Owning and driving vehicles is another story. :zip:
Thats exactly why im against the "free" heating fuel program in the states(which obama cut in half by the way) Theres no attempt to solve the problem with conservation or insulation just pay to kick the can down the road another year. Would make more sense to buy people wood stoves than pay for their oil.
north of 60 said:mr.fixit said:The problem with buying them woodstoves is you would have to cut their wood for them too! 90% of the population won't do that kind of manual labor. ITS WORK!!trump said:north of 60 said:When I read the posts here on this site about the amount of heating fuel people burn to heat there uninsulated old homes in the lower States and Canada with those mild climates on top of heating with a stove , I think is just sickening. These areas need to be addressed to stop the big dent in oil consumption. The money they are spending on oil leaves them broke to do any home upgrades after mortgage payments etc... Its an ignorant vicious circle. Owning and driving vehicles is another story. :zip:
Thats exactly why im against the "free" heating fuel program in the states(which obama cut in half by the way) Theres no attempt to solve the problem with conservation or insulation just pay to kick the can down the road another year. Would make more sense to buy people wood stoves than pay for their oil.
EXACTLY + it would be unsafe. These kind of people could not plan on processing wood or having it seasoned. Chimney fires galore. They would all need to by a truck etc with the money they don't have. A wood stove install cost= a minimum of $3500 would go farther on retrofits or high eff fossil fuel units.
Whenever you start talking about slowing population growth be prepared to be pounced on from all sides.
trump said:BeGreen said:This is one of the best explanations about the effect of the growth of human consumption of fossil fuels that I have seen. It's simple math based on the exponential function.
Whenever you start talking about slowing population growth be prepared to be pounced on from all sides.
Very true. Won't ever hear a politician mention it. Political suicide.
For an overpopulation example, Haiti is a good example. Not one tree left on their 1/2 of the island.
I always remember the "fruit fly" experiment in school. Over a short time (in our life span, many generations for the flies)
They overpopulated the container, used up the apple, & all died. Pretty ugly slime on the bottom of the container
too, which caused some of the apple to rot (pollution)
It alway made me wonder when our apple would be used up, over polluted & begin to rot. Then what. Well all the fruit flies died, slime, bacteria
& mold grew over the entire container. Still had "Life" in the container, just no flies.
I was in the oil business. We had "T" shirts with nice pictures of Earth that said on the front. "EARTH NOW" & on the back,
"WE"LL DRILL THE OTHER PLANETS LATER"
Sure hope NASA is up to the challenge in a few decades. Humans are gonna have to find a "New Apple" in a few hundred years.
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