Extending fireplace hearth for small wood stove

[practicalolivia]

My house is 1940's, but brick fireplace added somewhere 70's or 80's. I just had inspected and am told no liner, so having a stainless triple liner installed with a small wood stove. I'm trying to figure out how to add a a new hearth level with the fireplace so the stove can be partially inside to vent.

 

[adrpga498]

A friend is thinking about doing the same thing with similar setup. I'm looking forward to see options posted. Enjoy .

 

[practicalolivia]

This is my little stove.

My house is 1940's, but brick fireplace added somewhere 70's or 80's. I just had inspected and am told no liner, so having a stainless triple liner installed with a small wood stove. I'm trying to figure out how to add a a new hearth level with the fireplace so the stove can be partially inside to vent.

This is the stove I've ordered.

 

[Rickb]

I personally would not use that stove......

And I have never heard of a triple liner.

 

[practicalolivia]

I personally would not use that stove......

And I have never heard of a triple liner.

It's not my first choice, but I'm new at this and can't afford the Jotul that I loved.

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[practicalolivia]

This is the look I wanted, but can't afford.

It's not my first choice, but I'm new at this and can't afford the Jotul that I loved.

 

[Rickb]

There are other low cost stoves that are much better then that stove. Also that is chimney pipe not liner. If you want to use pipe then use double wall class a, its better then triple.

 

[MAD MARK]

I would SERIOUSLY take a step back and do some research. You are headed in all the wrong directions. IMHOFWIW

 

[practicalolivia]

There are other low cost stoves that are much better then that stove. Also that is chimney pipe not liner. If you want to use pipe then use double wall class a, its better then triple.

I knew I

I would SERIOUSLY take a step back and do some research. You are headed in all the wrong directions. IMHOFWIW

I'm not sure what you mean? I had a chimney guy from a very reputable service of 35 years, inspect it, give me a quote of $800 to supply the pipe and install my stove. He even thought this little stove was best for me since I can't afford more, need a very simple stove and can only have a stove no higher than 27". I know I'm in over my head, but I have a tree coming down this month, so was thinking ahead. I got pushed into retirement, so no extra money. Now I have to figure out a hearth that I can do myself using marble tile in my garage. Wish me luck.

 

[practicalolivia]

There are other low cost stoves that are much better then that stove. Also that is chimney pipe not liner. If you want to use pipe then use double wall class a, its better then triple.

What stove would you suggest that would be no taller than 27" and not too expensive. Inserts are ugly. I need to be able to at least make coffee if the power goes out.

 

[Ashful]

Paging @bholler. Situation in room #304.

 

[begreen]

Installing a stove is not based on luck. Safety has to be the overriding concern. As far as the hearth goes, this stove needs R= 2.06 protection. Laying down marble is not going to come close to providing the heat protection for the floor that the stove needs. The insulated hearth pad will raise the stove height, potentially a couple inches.

The chimney pipe you show is not necessary or normally used in a masonry chimney. Your installer will need to install an insulated flexible liner instead with a properly sealed top cap.

The stove may fit the budget, but it is not known for quality construction. The castings are cheap and poorly fitted. These weaknesses combine to make a stove that can be difficult to control and with a tendency to overfire easily. This stove is from China. It has a history of arriving with parts missing or cracked. Inspect carefully before operating.

 

[bholler]

I knew I

I'm not sure what you mean? I had a chimney guy from a very reputable service of 35 years, inspect it, give me a quote of $800 to supply the pipe and install my stove. He even thought this little stove was best for me since I can't afford more, need a very simple stove and can only have a stove no higher than 27". I know I'm in over my head, but I have a tree coming down this month, so was thinking ahead. I got pushed into retirement, so no extra money. Now I have to figure out a hearth that I can do myself using marble tile in my garage. Wish me luck.

If he is recomending that stove and that pipe 35 years of working in this feild has not taught him much. You need an insulated liner in your chimney not anither chimney inside it. And that stove is in my opinion the absolute wost stove on the market. It is a copy of a design that is close to 100 years old and it was copied very poorly. The castings are extremely poor quality and because of that the fit between panels is very poor. This leads to leaks which makes it uncontrollable. That overheats the bad castings leading to cracks. It is a dangerous stove and i can beleive they are still allowed to sell it.

 

[practicalolivia]

Installing a stove is not based on luck. Safety has to be the overriding concern. As far as the hearth goes, this stove needs R= 2.06 protection. Laying down marble is not going to come close to providing the heat protection for the floor that the stove needs. The insulated hearth pad will raise the stove height, potentially a couple inches.

The chimney pipe you show is not necessary or normally used in a masonry chimney. Your installer will need to install an insulated flexible liner instead with a properly sealed top cap.

The stove may fit the budget, but it is not known for quality construction. The castings are cheap and poorly fitted. These weaknesses combine to make a stove that can be difficult to control and with a tendency to overfire easily. This stove is from China. It has a history of arriving with parts missing or cracked. Inspect carefully before operating.

Thanks. I do understand. I just chose a picture, but I've asked for a detailed quote from my licensed chimney sweep who is installing. I realize this stove is cheap, but I don't intend to do more than take the chill off of this room and have in case of power lose.

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[bholler]

Thanks. I do understand. I just chose a picture, but I've asked for a detailed quote from my licensed chimney sweep who is installing. I realize this stove is cheap, but I don't intend to do more than take the chill off of this room and have in case of power lose.

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I understand you dont intend to use it much. But you could not pay me enough to start even one fire in one of those stoves in my house. They really are very bad.

 

[Rickb]

Also any wood from a tree you are taking down now will not really be usable for at least a year, maybe more depending on what type of wood it is.

 

[practicalolivia]

Also any wood from a tree you are taking down now will not really be usable for at least a year, maybe more depending on what type of wood it is.

It's birch and I knew that I needed to wait a year or so. I'm only taking it down because it's gotten tall fast and the neighbors are worried that it will take out the power lines. Besides, I'd rather have my persimmon tree in the front yard. So, I thought I'd start with looking at the fireplace and go from there. I never dreamed it could get so complicated. I was trying to be brave even though I've never lit a fire and have no idea where to start.

 

[Rickb]

Honestly with your height restriction I would use a insert if you want a stove look just don't install the surround.

Something similar to this:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/England...ood-Burning-Fireplace-Insert-13-NCI/100638341

 

[Ashful]

Practical, why not Englander? They make some much better quality options, with many good reviews, at low budget prices. Begreen and bholler will have to advise on the hearth R-value requirements, but Englander is the first brand I would consider if on a budget.

Good news, an insulated liner should be cheaper than a chimney in a chimney.

 

[begreen]

The Englander 13-NCi insert is in the $1k range. The freestander is a skosh too tall. Must be no taller than 27". It would need some surgery to the base lip to lower it.

 

[practicalolivia]

They are just ugly inserts with no cooktop. That's why I wanted free standing that could be part outside.

Practical, why not Englander? They make some much better quality options, with many good reviews, at low budget prices. Begreen and bholler will have to advise on the hearth R-value requirements, but Englander is the first brand I would consider if on a budget.

Good news, an insulated liner should be cheaper than a chimney in a chimney.

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[begreen]

I did find a Resolute III on the Richmond Craigslist
(broken link removed to https://richmond.craigslist.org/app/d/wood-stove/6722610729.html)

 

[MAD MARK]

I did find a Resolute III on the Richmond Craigslist
(broken link removed to https://richmond.craigslist.org/app/d/wood-stove/6722610729.html)

Very nice of you to search for her. That's a great deal if in good condition. Could resell pipe if triple wall too.

 

[begreen]

Says it's in excellent condition, but no other info. Yes, she might be able to sell the pipe for the price of the stove if it is decent chimney pipe.

 

[Ashful]

Nice! Will it fit?