FREE epa wood stove in VT?

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Rearscreen

Rearscreen

Minister of Fire
Dec 21, 2014
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Vermont
My neighbor, confirmed to me personally today that they are getting a FREE epa approved wood stove and a hearth through some VT program because they are "poor". Notice the quotes. It will be replacing an older inefficient stove which is part of the requirement. Is this real? The rumor is that it's a VC catalytic. Has anyone heard of this? Truly, I could duck my Progress, apply (because I AM cash poor), show them my old (something I'd throw in there) and get a free stove? Something doesn't add up.
 
The wife and I upgraded from a EPA non cat to an EPA catalytic stove because the EPA was/is concerned about local air quality and we qualified for a partial grant.

We have ongoing grant programs up here, the one we qualified for was we cut the rated grams per hour in half _and_ came in under 2.5 grams per hour with the new stove. We didn't qualify for the stove I wanted (under 2.5 gph) because it wouldn't have cut our EPA emission completely in half, the stove my wife wanted met both criteria. At the time it seemed like everyone was getting Obama dollars except us, so we went ahead.

I don't regret the new stove. Compared to not running a woodstove we saved the grant amount the first year if we had been burning oil only. Compared to keeping our old stove the payback time would be quite a bit longer.

If you are in an EPA "non-attainment" area for air quality, keep your eyes open. The next federal grant will have different criteria on it, and the one after that still another set of parameters.

I probably won't buy another non-cat stove in this lifetime, it is a thing of great beauty and efficiency now that I am operating one and have my seasoning process under control.
 
Rearscreen said:
My neighbor, confirmed to me personally today that they are getting a FREE epa approved wood stove and a hearth through some VT program because they are "poor". Notice the quotes. It will be replacing an older inefficient stove which is part of the requirement. Is this real? The rumor is that it's a VC catalytic. Has anyone heard of this? Truly, I could duck my Progress, apply (because I AM cash poor), show them my old (something I'd throw in there) and get a free stove? Something doesn't add up.
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Sounds like a good program. My wife and I have been thinking about upgrading to an EPA cat stove. We're going to wait until after the new socialist congress is voted in November and replaces the republicans. We're banking on a lot of free stuff; wood stove, phones, medical and especially free college for the kids. I figure once we get the new stove installed early winter, we can use all the money we won't be spending on a Bahamas cruise. Just sayin.
 
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VC must have a good man on the inside, to have arranged that exclusive deal. If you dig, you should be able to find how much $ they’re making off that program, thanks to your generous taxpayers.
 
Ashful said:
VC must have a good man on the inside, to have arranged that exclusive deal. If you dig, you should be able to find how much $ they’re making off that program, thanks to your generous taxpayers.
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Amen. Keep pulling that wagon folks!
 
I had a douche west which is basically a Vermont Casting. I defended it when it got trashed on different forums. BUT, i now admit, it was an evil wood stove
 
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ratsrepus said:
I had a douche west which is basically a Vermont Casting. I defended it when it got trashed on different forums. BUT, i now admit, it was an evil wood stove
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Because Made in China really helps the USofA.
 
Bad LP said:
Because Made in China really helps the USofA.
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The old dutch wests were made in korea. And they were much better stoves then than when vc took over. And regardless very few stoves or chimney products are Chinese made. Ironically enough us stove company is the only major stove company selling Chinese made crap here.
 
Bad LP said:
Because Made in China really helps the USofA.
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And chinese made stuff has nothing to do with the poor designs from vc. They did that on their own
 
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A few weeks ago I went to a stove shop in "live free or die trying to be free" NH. They had Jotul (of course) a BK King (Which I would buy in a second upon looking at it) and VC's. I went over to one and shifted the top plate expecting it not to move. It did. Effortlessly sloppily.
 
i like my VC encore...that is all.
 
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Just a gentle note - continual bashing of a product line is not much more helpful than fanboy praise.
 
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begreen said:
Just a gentle note - continual bashing of a product line is not much more helpful than fanboy praise.
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Yeah i know sorry.
 
I had an old Jag that I loved. It was beautiful, elegant and nice to drive. Was it touchy? Yes, you needed to keep the carbs in tune and in synch and Lucas electrics were a headache, but I still loved the car. Sometimes we put up with a bit more work for things we love.
 
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and at the end of the day, a free EPA rated cat stove is better than an old smoke dragon right? Colorado has a program that helps, but does not offset completely the costs

(broken link removed to http://www.lung.org/local-content/colorado/documents/One-Page-Fact-Sheet.pdf)
 
Manly said:
Amen. Keep pulling that wagon folks!
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Here in my little piece of heaven in central Pa .they just sign up for free oil or gas. Most of the so call poor around here would never be caught dead with an ax or a chainsaw in hand. Folks who are willing to chop and stack and dry wood are the elite upper crust of the low income bunch.
 
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Seasoned Oak said:
Here in my little piece of heaven in central Pa .they just sign up for free oil or gas. Most of the so call poor around here would never be caught dead with an ax or a chainsaw in hand. Folks who are willing to chop and stack and dry wood are the elite upper crust of the low income bunch.
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That is an incredibly jaded and uninformed veiw of the situation.
 
Dobish said:
and at the end of the day, a free EPA rated cat stove is better than an old smoke dragon right? Colorado has a program that helps, but does not offset completely the costs

(broken link removed to http://www.lung.org/local-content/colorado/documents/One-Page-Fact-Sheet.pdf)
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If they work as designed in the real world yes. If like many of the downdraft stoves i have seen the user gets fed up with paying for parts and just guts out the cimbustion system then no.

To be fair the latest downdraft designs from vc are improved. And their inserts are very good
 
bholler said:
That is an incredibly jaded and uninformed veiw of the situation.
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Im entitled to my view same as you. Im actually more in favor of this hand out than most ,as people as least have to work a bit for what they are getting . At 62 im still working with the aid of a leg brace after a major heart attack,while people all around me half my age and twice as healthy doing nothing. Makes you crazy after awhile.
 
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Im entitled to my view same as you. Im actually more in favor of this hand out than most ,as people as least have to work a bit for what they are getting ,and not setting on their duffs waiting for me to pay my taxes. At 62 im still working with the aid of a leg brace after a major heart attack,while people all around me half my age and twice as healthy doing nothing. Makes you crazy after awhile.
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Yes of course you are. But almost 3/4 of those on liheap are seniors. Are you saying those we should let them freeze to death if they dont go out and cut wood? I agree there are way to many people who take advantage of assistance programs. But that doesnt mean they are bad programs just that they need better enforcement
 
bholler said:
Yes of course you are. But almost 3/4 of those on liheap are seniors. Are you saying those we should let them freeze to death if they dont go out and cut wood? I agree there are way to many people who take advantage of assistance programs. But that doesnt mean they are bad programs just that they need better enforcement
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I agree with all that ,its the healthy 20 and 30 somethings that we are actually ruining by letting them drain resources needed for the elderly and truly disabled. When the program goes belly up its the elderly who will suffer from the mismanagement.
 
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