Is this a new epa phase 2 furnace from US Stove? Im not in the market for one as I just installed a Drolet Heat Commander this past fall but I always like to learn when something new comes to market
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Interesting! Given the Hot Blast reputation around here, this should make for an interesting thread.Is this a new epa phase 2 furnace from US Stove? Im not in the market for one as I just installed a Drolet Heat Commander this past fall but I always like to learn when something new comes to market
I looked at the owner's manual, which trying to download was a free game of whack-a-mole for some reason. They are calling for 24lbs of kindling, and 40 lbs of cordwood to get it into operation. Wow! I'm sure there's a lot of days I don't even burn that much in 24 hours.
I like the "NEVER OPERATE UNATTENDED" warning. So, I should watch this thing 24 hours a day for 7-8 months straight?
I had a Clayton, which is the Neanderthal version of this, I guess. It was ok for what it was. It didn't say you couldn't operate it unattended though, but it had a safety feature in that if you didn't attend it regularly, it burned up all the wood and the fire went out!
brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
Anything by USSC, especially a furnace, is always going to be bottom of the barrel quality and user friendlyness. This ought to be interesting to see what kind of issues people have with them as they scoop them up from the farm and box stores "for a good deal" unawares
lampmfg
Burning Hunk
Sweet- The public get's to do field testing again like multiple other 1st generation EPA furnace models.
Id love to see the data on this unit. All they claim is 75 percent efficiency from what i can find
woodey
Feeling the Heat
3fordasho
Minister of Fire
United States Stove Company™ Hot Blast Wood Stove Furnace (3,500 sq.ft.)
3200 SQ Ft Wood Burning Furnace with large heavy duty cast iron door frame with no outer lip for easy wood loading. Accepts up to 22" logs.
www.menards.com
The EPA database says 70% HHV efficiency, overall delivered thermal efficiency 66%.
The test report is here:
brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
That doesn't look like the same unit...no window, and doesn't say anything about being EPA approved, like the one OP linked...not sure how they can sell it?! @lampmfg ?United States Stove Company™ Hot Blast Wood Stove Furnace (3,500 sq.ft.)
3200 SQ Ft Wood Burning Furnace with large heavy duty cast iron door frame with no outer lip for easy wood loading. Accepts up to 22" logs.
Wow, rough crowd!
I had one, it wasn't that bad!
Of course I did weld up a trailer hitch for it and had a piece of 3"x3"x 3/8" angle bolted to the back...little gas tank explosion prevention too! I did get rear ended one time....scuffed the paint on my hitch, put a big dent in his front bumper!
It is on tractor supplies website toThat doesn't look like the same unit...no window, and doesn't say anything about being EPA approved, like the one OP linked...not sure how they can sell it?! @lampmfg ?
Wow, rough crowd!
I had one, it wasn't that bad!
Of course I did weld up a trailer hitch for it and had a piece of 3"x3"x 3/8" angle bolted to the back...little gas tank explosion prevention too! I did get rear ended one time....scuffed the paint on my hitch, put a big dent in his front bumper!
3fordasho
Minister of Fire
If you download the manual it looks like the correct one. Looks like Menards used some incorrect images.That doesn't look like the same unit...no window, and doesn't say anything about being EPA approved, like the one OP linked...not sure how they can sell it?! @lampmfg ?
Wow, rough crowd!
I had one, it wasn't that bad!
Of course I did weld up a trailer hitch for it and had a piece of 3"x3"x 3/8" angle bolted to the back...little gas tank explosion prevention too! I did get rear ended one time....scuffed the paint on my hitch, put a big dent in his front bumper!
JRHAWK9
Minister of Fire
yup! The list of field testing done at the consumer level is all encompassing of the entire EPA "approved" wood furnace market, minus one named the Vapor Fire.
JRHAWK9
Minister of Fire
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brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
Hey, can't be too bad, #1 best selling truck 46 consecutive years!corrected it.
JRHAWK9
Minister of Fire
Kinda, sort of, but not really.
Way to go woodey.....sent this thread on a super tangent.
GM has been the top seller of trucks for quite awhile. I'm not a brand fanboi either. My last six daily drivers have been all different manufactures dating back to the early 90's.
Sales numbers don't lie, only the people manipulating them for marketing purposes do.
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brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
Key word, "combined"Kinda, sort of, but not really.
Way to go woodey.....sent this thread on a super tangent.
GM has been the top seller of trucks for quite awhile. I'm not a brand fanboi either. My last six daily drivers have been all different manufactures dating back to the early 90's.
Sales numbers don't lie, only the people manipulating them for marketing purposes do.
Full-size Truck U.S. Sales Report for 2022: GM Is Still On Top, Ram Slides Down - Here Is What Happened
There is no doubt that 2022 has been a tough year for truck manufacturers. Here are all the results for U.S. pickup truck sales in 2022. General Motors' full-si
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JRHAWK9
Minister of Fire
of course, when comparing GM vs Ford. Chev/GMC are the same damn truck, just with a different placard. I guess from Ford's POV, it's not their fault GM decided to break their truck market into two. Competition drives sales though, and maybe GM wouldn't sell as many total trucks if they just had one brand within the same company. Has to be a reason they do it.
One of my good friends is a Ford fanboi....to the point he will never buy anything but (which I can not even begin to try to grasp)....so I get to play devil's advocate all the time around him. LOL I, personally, could care less, as I'll buy whatever......I just like getting him riled up when it comes to Ford's issues, which have been plentiful as of late. Nice thing about not being brand loyal, one can actually choose based on specific wants/needs/quality and not be stuck with what one brand offers. Gives one MUCH more flexibility as a consumer.
brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
All I can say is I've had 2 GMC trucks, both terrible, especially the newer of the 2, awful, serious buyers remorse.
I finally sold it to a guy that runs a junkyard, he wanted a heavier inside (in yard) tow truck...he had been using a light duty F250 (7 lug) and while it was not heavy duty enough, he said you just couldn't kill it, but after years of abuse it was finally getting close to being dead. I warned him of all the issues that I had with the 3500, he said he thought he had a mechanic that could make it work OK, but if it caused him too much trouble he'd just run it through the crusher and move on...I knew at that point I'd found the right buyer.
Back to our regularly scheduled USSC "EPA approved" bomb wood furnace discussion...
I finally sold it to a guy that runs a junkyard, he wanted a heavier inside (in yard) tow truck...he had been using a light duty F250 (7 lug) and while it was not heavy duty enough, he said you just couldn't kill it, but after years of abuse it was finally getting close to being dead. I warned him of all the issues that I had with the 3500, he said he thought he had a mechanic that could make it work OK, but if it caused him too much trouble he'd just run it through the crusher and move on...I knew at that point I'd found the right buyer.
Back to our regularly scheduled USSC "EPA approved" bomb wood furnace discussion...
JRHAWK9
Minister of Fire
I don't have a horse in that race. I was just referring to sales and not any kind of perceived quality or who is "better". That's way too subjective and pointless to even discuss. I go by the mantra, "if it has teets or tires it's gonna give you trouble."
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brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
FIFYI go by the mantra, "if it has teets or tires, or a USSC or HY-C badge on it, it's gonna give you trouble."
JRHAWK9
Minister of Fire
brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
I agree, they have something crossed up there.
After reading the manual, I can safely predict that @JRHAWK9 will love the startup and loading procedure on this one even more than the Heat Commander!
Sounds like you need a good 2 hours to do a proper start up...which I guess is no big deal, since it says all throughout the manual that you are to "NEVER OPERATE THIS PRODUCT WHILE UNATTENDED" (that's a direct copy n paste quote too) so I guess if heating your home has gotten so expensive that it makes sense to become a full time furnace operator, this one just might be for you!Also, I see in Hotblast (wood blast) tradition, it is forced air combustion, so it will need a full time operator to keep 'er from burning out in 2 hours (think fire tender on a steam engine)
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JRHAWK9
Minister of Fire
I guess manufactures will state anything in their manual in order to pass, even though it's completely unrealistic in the real world.
Easy way for them to out out a cheap smoke dragon in disguise
lampmfg
Burning Hunk
And they have been allowed to get away with it. All while the EPA was willing to deal with us the way they did over the past 8 months. You can’t even make it up.
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