I got my ashford 30 estimate today

[ohiojoe13]

i got my estimate today to have an ashford 30 installed.
It came out to $6300 if I pay cash or check or $6500 if I use card.
It was 3295 for the stove. 500 for 54" hearth pad. I told them I didn't want one that was thermal rated. 1585 for the double wall pipe. And 850 for installation. Plus tax. Does this sound right ? I asked him about making my own pad and he said I had to use something that started with a "m" but I can't remember what he called it. The research I have done just says cement board. I feel like I could build one a lot cheaper than 500 dollars. Thanks in advance.

 

[kennyp2339]

Tractor supply sells the hearth pads cheaper than your installers quote, the stove quote seems average for east side of the county. How much double wall pipe do you need?

 

[Grisu]

Did he maybe say "micore"? You won't need that one as that is for thermal protection. Any non-combustible material (sheet metal, tiles, slate, cement board etc.) will do. Morso has some nice looking glass plates but I think they are be pretty expensive, too.

Do you have a long run of class A pipe? 1585 sounds a bit high for a chimney. On the other hand, if they need to build the chimney and put the stove in, the 850 for installation sounds pretty good.

 

[DougA]

A hearth pad is pretty easy if you check the specs, make sure everything is OK and are handy with tools. Actually, the entire installation can be fairly easy but everything depends upon where the pipe/chimney are going.
It's really a question of how much time you have and how skilled you are vs. how much $$ you have. Sometimes, it's easier to pay someone to get it done right and on time. Many of us like the satisfaction of doing it ourselves and saving money even though it takes longer and causes more grey hair.

 

[Grisu]

A hearth pad is pretty easy if you check the specs, make sure everything is OK and are handy with tools. Actually, the entire installation can be fairly easy but everything depends upon where the pipe/chimney are going.
It's really a question of how much time you have and how skilled you are vs. how much $$ you have. Sometimes, it's easier to pay someone to get it done right and on time. Many of us like the satisfaction of doing it ourselves and saving money even though it takes longer and causes more grey hair.

Plus, you need to make sure that your home insurance and your local building inspector are ok with a self-install. But I agree, it is certainly doable.

 

[ohiojoe13]

Did he maybe say "micore"? You won't need that one as that is for thermal protection. Any non-combustible material (sheet metal, tiles, slate, cement board etc.) will do. Morso has some nice looking glass plates but I think they are be pretty expensive, too.

Do you have a long run of class A pipe? 1585 sounds a bit high for a chimney. On the other hand, if they need to build the chimney and put the stove in, the 850 for installation sounds pretty good.

Yes that was it micore think he said it was 12 or 13 feet. It's not marked on the sheet. That also included a couple elbows that they might not need.

 

[ohiojoe13]

Plus, you need to make sure that your home insurance and your local building inspector are ok with a self-install. But I agree, it is certainly doable.

I'm definitely having the stove installed professionally. Just kinda wanted the make the pad myself.

 

[Jags]

The Micore that Grisu was referring to is an insulated underlayment that is common in R rated hearth pads. You don't need an R value, so you could simply go with any of the non-combustible surfaces that make a hearth pad.

Is your 12 or 13 feet in reference to the class A double wall pipe height? If so, yes - the $1500 sounds a bit steep just for the pipe.

 

[jeff_t]

You can use anything non-combustible for the pad. No thermal protection is required.

I think I'm going to use heavy gauge sheet metal with my next stove. I don't have a lot of extra space, and something thin and flat on the floor is desirable here.

 

[ohiojoe13]

The Micore that Grisu was referring to is an insulated underlayment that is common in R rated hearth pads. You don't need an R value, so you could simply go with any of the non-combustible surfaces that make a hearth pad.

Is your 12 or 13 feet in reference to the class A double wall pipe height? If so, yes - the $1500 sounds a bit steep just for the pipe.

It just says double wall DVL stove pipe

 

[Grisu]

Does the pipe run inside or outside the house? When (= after how many feet) does it pass the first ceiling or wall? Will it be enclosed in a chase? Approx. how tall will the total chimney be?

I would also want to know which manufacturer but that may just be me.

 

[ohiojoe13]

Does the pipe run inside or outside the house? When (= after how many feet) does it pass the first ceiling or wall? Will it be enclosed in a chase? Approx. how tall will the total chimney be?

I would also want to know which manufacturer but that may just be me.

It will be inside the house for 6' then through the ceiling and roof for another 7'.

 

[BKVP]

PLEASE run the first 6' of black using double wall and then get enough all fuel chimney to get you to a total of 15' feet. Our experience shows that 15'+ is the best!

 

[Grisu]

It will be inside the house for 6' then through the ceiling and roof for another 7'.

As BKVP already said, 13 ft is likely too short for the Ashford. Plus, $1500 really sounds high for such a short flue that does not seem too difficult. Or is there anything about the attic/roof that may require special arrangements?

I am inclined to suggest just purchasing the stove from that dealer and have a certified sweep do the install. http://www.csia.org/search At least, it would not hurt to talk to one about an estimate for the chimney and the install before signing off on that sale. The dealer does not seem particularly knowledgeable about the hearth requirements of the Ashford, neither about the minimum flue height. That would worry me when I would rely on them for a proper install.

 

[ohiojoe13]

PLEASE run the first 6' of black using double wall and then get enough all fuel chimney to get you to a total of 15' feet. Our experience shows that 15'+ is the best!

Ok this might be a dumb question but what is the all fuel chimney?

 

[ohiojoe13]

As BKVP already said, 13 ft is likely too short for the Ashford. Plus, $1500 really sounds high for such a short flue that does not seem too difficult. Or is there anything about the attic/roof that may require special arrangements?

I am inclined to suggest just purchasing the stove from that dealer and have a certified sweep do the install. http://www.csia.org/search At least, it would not hurt to talk to one about an estimate for the chimney and the install before signing off on that sale. The dealer does not seem particularly knowledgeable about the hearth requirements of the Ashford, neither about the minimum flue height. That would worry me when I would rely on them for a proper install.

ok. I'm just worried if I do that and I have an issue with my stove the dealer will try to play the blame game and say it was the installers fault or something.

 

[Grisu]

I can certainly see that point. Should that happen I would contact BK directly. They have a great customer service and will help you no matter what. See this this post: https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/blaze-king-customer-service.144430/ and I hope you noticed that the VP of BK is monitoring this thread.

With your current dealer I have the feeling your chances are too high for my liking that some issue will arise. With another installer you may not need to contact BK's customer service at all.

 

[ohiojoe13]

I can certainly see that point. Should that happen I would contact BK directly. They have a great customer service and will help you no matter what. See this this post: https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/blaze-king-customer-service.144430/ and I hope you noticed that the VP of BK is monitoring this thread.

With your current dealer I have the feeling your chances are too high for my liking that some issue will arise. With another installer you may not need to contact BK's customer service at all.

Ok thank you. I'll use the link you post earlier to try to find someone.

 

[ohiojoe13]

Dealer just emailed me. The brand they use is duratech class A pipe and duravent DVL double wall black pipe. I guess I don't under stand the piping. Are there two different pipes they use or what.

 

[webby3650]

Dealer just emailed me. The brand they use is duratech class A pipe and duravent DVL double wall black pipe. I guess I don't under stand the piping. Are there two different pipes they use or what.

Same brand. The class A is "all fuel" chimney. The DVL is the double wall stove pipe. The transition between the 2 will take place at the ceiling support box.

 

[Poindexter]

I paid $2500 to have 11 feet of Duravent chimney, pro installed, another $200 for a telescoping piece of double wall stove pipe and $4200 for my Ashford 30 delivered up one flight of stairs into my house.

It is a lot of money. I did build my own hearth pad. I broke even on the chimney and stove complete with pro install in less than two years.

 

[ohiojoe13]

Same brand. The class A is "all fuel" chimney. The DVL is the double wall stove pipe. The transition between the 2 will take place at the ceiling support box.

Thanks for clearing that up for me

 

[Swedishchef]

Wow...I sure do love heating with wood...but $6500 for a stove setup is beyond my tolerance for budget..in fact it's 3 years worth of electricity!! lol

But it certainly is a nice stove...

Andrew

 

[DougA]

$6500 for a stove setup is beyond my tolerance for budget.

I agree but it should last 25 + yrs. $6,500. would be past my budget, even with my 'free' firewood. In reality, I know I have spent close to that in the past year upgrading my own stove, chimney, hearth, wood shed, chainsaw, wagon, tractor repairs ... and the list goes on & on. Just much easier spending a bit at a time. In my case, I figure payback will be about 3 yrs., so your numbers are pretty close.

 

[Swedishchef]

My problem is that I need to buy my wood and these days a cord of hardwood is going for $250-$275!! So payback would be wayyyy slower.