Joful, this one's for you!

[MasterMech]

Let's see how your 036 stacks up against this one.

Saw is a Stihl 034 (56cc),

33RSC-72 chain
20" wide-nosed Stihl ES bar.
7 Pin Rim

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[Jon1270]

Well, that'll be useful when I get my freebie 034 going, hopefully in a month or so.

 

[smokinj]

That's why I use my 460 even with a 20 inch.

 

[MasterMech]

That's why I use my 460 even with a 20 inch.

I'd argue that the 034 did just fine. Remember there is over 20cc difference between the 034 and our dear 460s! Joful's 036 at 61cc and of similar design, should be able to at least keep up with my bone stock (as far as I know) 034.

Where is Joful anyways?

 

[smokinj]

Fine fine......but nothing wrong with more Hp either...lol

 

[Thistle]

There's NO replacement for displacement.

 

[Ashful]

Hah... just saw this! Awesome video! I'll have to figure out how to post a video some time for a true comparison, but I'd say we're pretty close when you work it on the dogs. I'm not sure I've ever tried cutting anything at or greater than bar length without using the dogs! I guess I developed a cutting style using that torquey (but slower) Echo 510EVL, which was re-enforced using the Stihl 064. That style just doesn't work with the 036, unless I slow it down with a smaller rim.

Next time I have something big to buck, I'm going to pull up this video to compare. Unfortunately (or fortunately) I have another 8 cords of rounds already bucked on stacked on the ground, which I need to get split before I go cut more! I expect it will be winter before I'm back out felling anything new.

 

[Ashful]

In the back yard (note diameter of rounds scaled against 42" pallet):



In the driveway:



More in the driveway:



Come to think of it, I bet there's more than 8 cords there!

 

[MasterMech]

That style just doesn't work with the 036, unless I slow it down with a smaller rim.​

Not sure I'd want anything bigger than a 7 pin on an 036? Maybe if I'm feeling adventurous I'll stick an 8 pin on the 034 and see how gutless it gets.

I thought you were already running a 7 pin on that 036? (determined in a previous thread)

 

[Ashful]

I suspect it's stock, but I never did confirm it.

 

[Thistle]

In the back yard (note diameter of rounds scaled against 42" pallet):

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In the driveway:

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More in the driveway:

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Come to think of it, I bet there's more than 8 cords there!

You need a 100cc (or more) saw to really have some fun with those big rounds

 

[Ashful]

You need a 100cc (or more) saw to really have some fun with those big rounds

Thistle: You find me one in good shape for $500, and I'm your buyer!

However, aren't you the one of the crowd who talked me out of buying that 056 Magnum over the 064?

 

[MasterMech]

Thistle: You find me one in good shape for $500, and I'm your buyer!

However, aren't you the one of the crowd who talked me out of buying that 056 Magnum over the 064?

Having some time running an 056, I'd pick up the 064 first every time.

 

[Ashful]

Yeah... that 056 Mag was not a light saw! It did have about 10 extra cc's, though.

Truth be told, with the 28" bar, I can get thru a 50" tree pretty damn fast with the 064. Sometimes it would be nice to have a longer bar, so I didn't have to work these monster trees from both sides (sometimes one side is much less dangerous than the other), but I've been getting by pretty good with what I've got.

 

[Thistle]

Thistle: You find me one in good shape for $500, and I'm your buyer!

However, aren't you the one of the crowd who talked me out of buying that 056 Magnum over the 064?

I might have been,dont remember though.Parts should be more available for the 064,that's the main reason.

Ask & ye shall receive - (broken link removed to http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&actionType=singinformore&item=111121282595) That vintage Cannon 42" roller nose bar is worth $150 easily.


Parts for this model are still fairly easy to get,demand for the saw itself is high however...Not many in running condition at a reasonable price,I got lucky with mine even with replacing a couple needed parts.When a good one is for sale,its usually grabbed pretty quickly.

 

[smokinj]

Yeah... that 056 Mag was not a light saw! It did have about 10 extra cc's, though.

Truth be told, with the 28" bar, I can get thru a 50" tree pretty damn fast with the 064. Sometimes it would be nice to have a longer bar, so I didn't have to work these monster trees from both sides (sometimes one side is much less dangerous than the other), but I've been getting by pretty good with what I've got.

I will run a 32 on anything north of 50. I think it was 60.00 bucks for an es bar. Nice to have but hate when I need it.

 

[Ashful]

Ask & ye shall receive - (broken link removed to http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&actionType=singinformore&item=111121282595) That vintage Cannon 42" roller nose bar is worth $150 easily.

As will that one, now that it's posted here! I recently resigned myself to only running saws with AV and chain brakes. Actually sold me last two saws without these features earlier this spring! I'm figuring I'm not going to find a 100cc saw with those features at my price point, though.

I will run a 32 on anything north of 50. I think it was 60.00 bucks for an es bar. Nice to have but hate when I need it.

I should check out a bigger bar for the 064 (unless I stumble on a bigger saw cheap!). On a side note, I looked at Still E's and ES's when I bought the bars for my 064 and 036, but didn't like that they don't have a grease port, as I've had more than one sprocket tip fail cutting a lot of green. I went with a Tsumura Total bar on the 064 and a Windsor Speed Tip on the 036. Both seem to be great bars, and each gets one shot of grease at each chain swap, or the beginning of a day of cutting.

 

[smokinj]

As will that one, now that it's posted here! I recently resigned myself to only running saws with AV and chain brakes. Actually sold me last two saws without these features earlier this spring! I'm figuring I'm not going to find a 100cc saw with those features at my price point, though.



I should check out a bigger bar for the 064 (unless I stumble on a bigger saw cheap!). On a side note, I looked at Still E's and ES's when I bought the bars for my 064 and 036, but didn't like that they don't have a grease port, as I've had more than one sprocket tip fail cutting a lot of green. I went with a Tsumura Total bar on the 064 and a Windsor Speed Tip on the 036. Both seem to be great bars, and each gets one shot of grease at each chain swap, or the beginning of a day of cutting.

I am in love with the es bar. Cant wait for a good review of the es light bucking and felling to.

 

[clemsonfor]

As will that one, now that it's posted here! I recently resigned myself to only running saws with AV and chain brakes. Actually sold me last two saws without these features earlier this spring! I'm figuring I'm not going to find a 100cc saw with those features at my price point, though.



I should check out a bigger bar for the 064 (unless I stumble on a bigger saw cheap!). On a side note, I looked at Still E's and ES's when I bought the bars for my 064 and 036, but didn't like that they don't have a grease port, as I've had more than one sprocket tip fail cutting a lot of green. I went with a Tsumura Total bar on the 064 and a Windsor Speed Tip on the 036. Both seem to be great bars, and each gets one shot of grease at each chain swap, or the beginning of a day of cutting.

I have the OE stihl roller tip or whatever 20" bar on my 390. Its now 8 years old and has not cut as much wood as some of you guys but i bet it has an easy 30 cords on it maybe??? not locked up yet!

 

[Ashful]

Yeah... I'm sure they're good. However, I had an interesting conversation with my local Stihl dealer, who sells and services a TON of saws for local pro's. They also process and sell what appears to be hundreds of cords per year behind the shop.

Me: Where's the grease hole?
Dealer: Stihl did away with them a few years back.
Me: Don't they have trouble getting jammed up with debris, with no way to push the crud out or re-lube?
Dealer: They're actually pretty good. We have very few complaints on them. They must have a good seal on that bearing.
Me: What do you run on your own saws?
Dealer: I prefer bars with grease holes on my own saws.

Then he pulled out the Windsor Speed Tip bar, and said that's what he's been running lately.

 

[smokinj]

Yeah... I'm sure they're good. However, I had an interesting conversation with my local Stihl dealer, who sells and services a TON of saws for local pro's. They also process and sell what appears to be hundreds of cords per year behind the shop.

Me: Where's the grease hole?
Dealer: Stihl did away with them a few years back.
Me: Don't they have trouble getting jammed up with debris, with no way to push the crud out or re-lube?
Dealer: They're actually pretty good. We have very few complaints on them. They must have a good seal on that bearing.
Me: What do you run on your own saws?
Dealer: I prefer bars with grease holes on my own saws.

Then he pulled out the Windsor Speed Tip bar, and said that's what he's been running lately.

I got a lot on my 28 inch bar. I am sure its well over 125 cords. Once its shot all to heck I would have no problem with the same again. Now my 20 inch bar I took some advice and got one of those Orange bars from across the pond (GB). I smoke the paint off it in under 5 mins. Never again on one of those!~

 

[clemsonfor]

He may be... as the trevon martain witness says "old skoool". Cause thats what he likes. Windsor is not that expensive either.

I dont think i have ever got trash jambed in mine aside from when you are cutting with saw and they chips cant escape and the saw chain picks them back up and they either they get jambed in the bar grove and then pulled to the top sprocket, but its on the very outside where even a bar with a greese hole would have its sprocket jambed in the same way.

I have however heard some guys say that they have locked up bars by forgetting to lube the bars in a few days.

I deal with loggers as a forester. Not many run stihls around here but the ones that do have bars with the paint worn off them that are rollomatic bars and there fine. And the guys around here that run the saw are saw men, not really loggers and they are pretty rough on the stuff.

 

[MasterMech]

I've had smaller bars get a bit cranky (My MS230 had nose sprocket issues a while back) but never a problem with the ES bars..Wide tip version is 13 tooth sprocket instead of the standard 11. Less speed on the bearing.

Grease hole is just one more way to get dirt in the bearing. Mix it with grease, it'll never lock up but it ain't good for bearing life either.. I'm neutral on the issue. If you have a hole, grease it. If not, no worries, just crank the oiler and get cutting.

 

[ScotO]

I've had smaller bars get a bit cranky (My MS230 had nose sprocket issues a while back) but never a problem with the ES bars..Wide tip version is 13 tooth sprocket instead of the standard 11. Less speed on the bearing.

Grease hole is just one more way to get dirt in the bearing. Mix it with grease, it'll never lock up but it ain't good for bearing life either.. I'm neutral on the issue. If you have a hole, grease it. If not, no worries, just crank the oiler and get cutting.

once in a while throughout the year (usually when I dress the rails on the bar), I like spray some degreaser or contact cleaner in the nose sprocket, and then pour a little bit of gear oil in the sprocket of my ES bars and spin them manually....That, combined with having my oilers turned up on my saws, seems to keep the sprockets in great condition. I'm like SmokinJ, I've got literally 125+ cord on my 28" ES bar, never had a nose sprocket issue yet......

 

[MasterMech]

once in a while throughout the year (usually when I dress the rails on the bar), I like spray some degreaser or contact cleaner in the nose sprocket, and then pour a little bit of gear oil in the sprocket of my ES bars and spin them manually....That, combined with having my oilers turned up on my saws, seems to keep the sprockets in great condition. I'm like SmokinJ, I've got literally 125+ cord on my 28" ES bar, never had a nose sprocket issue yet......

Them old dogs you like Scotty pump some serious oil too. Newer saws are stingy by comparison.