Jotul C 450 Kennebec Insert - Does anyone have one with cabinet extened out on the hearth?

[stejus]

Hi all

I've made a decision to go with a Jotul C 450 after hours of reading posts and digging around the web. This site rocks! I debated the pellet and wood stove for weeks and based on my location, cord wood is plentiful and I enjoy a natural flame so it made the decision easy. I would rather have had a flush fit, but that would have put me into the 1.2 or 1.4 cf size which looked too small to me.

Here was my list and why I am going with the C 450.

Jotul C 350 - nice looking, but way too small. I can't imaging putting wood into this little box.
Hampton HI 200 - I havn't seen this yet, but it's not much bigger than the Jotul C 350 so it's off the list.
Hampton HI 300 - I really wanted this insert but I am off by about 1 inch on my depth. The stove back width is 23.5" at 17.25 deep. I have the depth, but not the width. Bummer!

I will have to fully extend the C 450 cabinet onto the hearth and I was hoping someone out here has one set up. If you do, can you e-mail me or post a few pic's from the front and side angle? I am trying to get visual because I don't know what it looks like extend.

Thanks,
Steve

 

[Oregon Fire]

I currently have my jotul c450 installed all the way in - there is a housing that surrounds the stove itself - so when you pull the stove out - I am not sure you get more clearance for the installation. I would suggest downloading the manual from the jotul website.

Given that, I am extending my hearth to meet code and will be giving myself room to pull my stove out the max 4" that it will project outward. I want better radiation of heat into the room. Also, the volume of air inside the housing will be increased in this configuration - which I think will improve the dispersal of heat from the stove - basically the air will spend more time in the stove housing on it's way through...

jeff

 

[stejus]

I currently have my jotul c450 installed all the way in - there is a housing that surrounds the stove itself - so when you pull the stove out - I am not sure you get more clearance for the installation. I would suggest downloading the manual from the jotul website.

Given that, I am extending my hearth to meet code and will be giving myself room to pull my stove out the max 4" that it will project outward. I want better radiation of heat into the room. Also, the volume of air inside the housing will be increased in this configuration - which I think will improve the dispersal of heat from the stove - basically the air will spend more time in the stove housing on it's way through...

jeff

When I spoke to the Jotul store manager, he mentioned that the C 450 can be adjusted to fit my firebox.

Option A.
Installed all the way into the fireplace(Maximum Sleeve Adjustment), the firebox inserts 16 3/4" deep at 25 1/2" rear width.
This leaves you with a flush fit, surround at 1 1/2" out, glass at 2 1/2" out and blower at 8 1/2" out from the face of the fireplace.

Option B.
Installed partially into the fireplace(Minimum Sleeve Adjustment), the stove inserts 12 3/4" deep at 25 1/2" rear width.
This leaves you with a extended firebox of 4" onto the hearth.
This leaves you with surround at 1 1/2" out, extended stove at 4" out, glass at 6 1/2" out and blower at 12 1/2" out.

Either option leaves you with the same size firebox, one with more stove in the fireplace (option A), the other with more stove on the hearth (option B).

I have to install option B because my fireplace is too narrow at 16 3/4" deep.

I agree you will get more radiant heat with more of the stove sitting on the hearth. I just don't know if the stove will look like it was extended or the lines are seamless. Usually a picture is worth a thousand words and that’s what I am hoping to find.

Thanks,
Steve

 

[oconnor]

Here is a pic of mine. Just had it done last week. The "tile" work on the wall and floor, as well as the mantle are all concrete.
I'm not totally happy with the "lines" of the stove, it does have a bit of a box sticking out of the wall look, but I don't notice that with the fire going.....

 

[Oregon Fire]

Nice pics. Would you mind taking another one showing the extension with the doors closed?

Do you have a fan on it? I thought they were "not optional" any longer. If you have one - you sure have some pretty sano wire routing for the electrical connection.

As I said before - after running a year with the stove "in" - I will be moving out. In the next few weeks, I will extend the tile in front and move her out. I think the stove will transfer heat more effectively intot he room and work better in case of a power outage (right now I have battery backup with an inverter, but that only lasts so long...)

jeff

 

[oconnor]

Electrical is more obvious now that the wall is sheeted. I do wish that Jotul provided a flush mount plug vice the standard style that sticks out as seen in the pic. Some fan vibration too on startup - Snapstat vibrates against frame/stove until fan at speed (low/high, doesn't matter)

You should certainly get more radiant heat with more exposure to the room, not to mention the surface for a narrow humidifier/kettle(4 inches from surround to stove lip of flat steel). Too small a surface to boil your potatoes, but would warm up some beans in a power outage.

Hope these help. Hope to give the full story a go in the pics forum this weekend while I wait out Hurricane Kyle.

 

[Oregon Fire]

I have a rutland magnetic stick on stove thermometer on the top of the firebox. You might want to get the same - I picked this tip up from another user here. I think we call it the "mike L location"...

(broken link removed to http://www.rutland.com/productinfo.php?product_id=14)

Thanks for the pics. I think mine will actually look okay with it "out" - I also have to run with the heat shield (angled thingy attached above the surround to direct heat away from the mantle) - and with it "out" the stove won't be underneath it as much - if that makes sense.

My fan rattles a bit too. I am going to take it apart and reinforce/rubber mount things to get rid of the vibration. I don't know if it was improper installation - but the sheet metal inside - opposite the snapstat and power is where I get vibration. I am adding some reinforcement to make it rigid at this point and as I said might add some rubber mounting/isolation to quiet things down.

jeff

p.s. I love the stove, beautiful in design and well built. Glad I chose this brand over the others I was looking at.

 

[stejus]

Brent

Thanks for the pictures. This is exactly the shots I was looking for!

Steve

 

[Sueiris]

We just had our Jotul C 450 installed today, yea! (It was supposed to come before Christmas, but we were snowed out, alas)

Anyway, how hard is it to adjust the sleeve? Right now ours is in all of the way, but I was wondering about the value of extending it out. We'd be interested in pros and cons.

Happy New Year everyone!

Susan

 

[summit]

We just had our Jotul C 450 installed today, yea! (It was supposed to come before Christmas, but we were snowed out, alas)

Anyway, how hard is it to adjust the sleeve? Right now ours is in all of the way, but I was wondering about the value of extending it out. We'd be interested in pros and cons.

Happy New Year everyone!

Susan

technically, extending it is just a couple 10mm machine cap screws on each side of the "cabinet" housing around the firebox.
it does require a little muscle to disconnect and rig it out, then reconnect again

 

[tickbitty]

Dang, I don't think those pics look like a box sticking out stove at all! It looks great and a lot less box-like than most!