thanks. that totally cleared it up for me, which direction we will be coming with the wood. thanks.
warmly,
kiki
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This purchase is going to make you very, very happy. Don't be afraid to ask questions along the way and be sure to do burn-in fires.
When you are ready to move it into the house some things can be done to help. We used a piano dolly for moving and left the stove in the crate. It really worked easy that way. We tore the crate open right at the hearth. Then we had to lift our stove up 16" so removed the top lid (that thing is heavy!), the firebox door and the firebrick. Made it a bit lighter.
Good luck and again, congratulations.
When you are ready to move it into the house some things can be done to help. We used a piano dolly for moving and left the stove in the crate. It really worked easy that way. We tore the crate open right at the hearth. Then we had to lift our stove up 16" so removed the top lid (that thing is heavy!), the firebox door and the firebrick. Made it a bit lighter.
Good luck and again, congratulations.
For 2,000 sq ft, very tall ceilings, and poor insulation in a windy coastal area, I would go larger than a 2.7 cu ft stove.
Just to play devil's advocate here, the Progressive Hybrid is a brand new stove. They are just starting to ship it. We have no data on how it performs is various home circumstances or of what bugs might need to be shaken out as they are uncovered in the field. For that reason I am reluctant to recommend this stove, particularly if it is the sole source of heat. Woodstock is a great company and we are all hoping that they have a home run here, but this is a novel design that only time and many different setups will tell how well this stove will work out.
Just to be a devil, that information would not sway me a bit so long as the stove is coming from Woodstock. Besides, I saw the stove while in R&D and also the final product. In addition, I've spoken to many different folks at the factory. In addition, I've since spoken to many long-time owners of Woodstock stoves and have found out just to what lengths this company will go to satisfy a customer. And then one also has to take into consideration that 6 month guarantee. If it does not meet specs or if there are bugs, the customer gets a full refund if that is what he requested. I've also spoken with Woodstock customers, in fact, I did before purchasing our stove. I won't tell all here but some of the things that this person told me about Woodstock really helped me in making the decision to buy from this company. No, I would not worry a bit about this being a new stove.
I concur 100%BrowningBAR said:
You will need a big box to keep that place warm over night no matter which stove you choose.
One thing though..even a BK King on low long cat burn might not be enough on the coldest nights..you might have to have it on two or a little higher so that there is some flame going on...will cut into burn times but still should make it 10 hours no problem.
Have plenty of wood ready.
Even with a cat stove I can see them going through 5 cord or more..easy.
In our climate zone I would predict closer to 3 cords/winter consumption. Most winter temps are in the low 40's and 30's with only occasional dips into the 20's. Temps in the teens happen, but they are infrequent.
Not sure about that. You very well may get more wind than we do but you also might be amazed at how much we get. Just in the last month we've had plenty. Not super high winds as I think the strongest we've had was one gust in the high 40mph range; I think it was 48. But we get lots of 30-40 mph winds. For sure our temperatures are much colder but I'd bet they average out pretty well as for wood useage. Although we used to burn 6 cord or more per winter, we now have found 3 cord to be the norm and that was before the added insulation, new doors and new windows we put in this year. I'm almost to the point where I might predict no extra wood use this year even with the addition we put on. We can't put much wood in the stove at all so far lest we roast ourselves out. So perhaps a 3 cord might even be a SWAG. I hope records are kept so we know after this coming winter.
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Out of curiosity, is that taking into account that the home has poor insulation and a lot of very tall ceilings?
I have just had our house insulated. It is about 1600 sq ft and two story. 1880 building said to have been the old stagecoach station. We do have an attic and had some old collapsed batts up there. I added R30 up there. The rest of the building was open stud bays. Insulators "drilled and filled" and then plugged the holes (2.5"). total cost came to around $1500. I've been in the heating business for 45 yrs and for all the equipment I've sold I have always maintained that you put your first dollar into the envelope. I don't like debt, but in this circumstance it is worth looking at any local programs that may exist. Trying to heat 2000 sq ft will still require a large stove, but with insulation maybe you won't have to be huddled around it. I write this as the cold air is rolling off the 6 single glazed AL framed windows surrounding me. They are on the list. Good luck!
For comparison, a friend got a T5 to heat his A frame of about 1800 sq ft. It is reasonably insulated and he put in a ceiling fan at my suggestion. Got the stove from Tom. It worked out very well. But for uninsulated, I would go up to the T6 if non-cat is the choice.
One frequent mistake I hear on this forum is that you can rub out damage from soapstone with steel wool. That is only on the one very rare brand of unpolished stone stove from woodstock. The much much more common hearthstones use a polished stone that can not be repaired with steel wool. I have pushed over 30 cords of wood through my hearthstone with no broken stones or stains. The mirror finish on it has held up well. Would you clean scratches off of your car with steel wool?
Also, the new stove from WS will be great once you have insulated and sealed but it is a medium stove at less than 3 cubic feet. This would be a good second stove if you are still looking for two stoves. My stone stove is slightly smaller at about 2.3 cubic feet and I would not want an undersized stone stovefor primary heat.
The bigger firebox of the T6, the blaze king, or the big quads would be capable of higher outputs for when you need to warm the place up. I would recommend the king since it has a much larger firebox for long burn times, high or low output, a well earned reputation, and thermostatic temperature control.
Also, the new stove from WS will be great once you have insulated and sealed but it is a medium stove at less than 3 cubic feet. This would be a good second stove if you are still looking for two stoves. My stone stove is slightly smaller at about 2.3 cubic feet and I would not want an undersized stone stovefor primary heat.
The bigger firebox of the T6, the blaze king, or the big quads would be capable of higher outputs for when you need to warm the place up. I would recommend the king since it has a much larger firebox for long burn times, high or low output, a well earned reputation, and thermostatic temperature control.
If it were mine.....
I'd pay more attention to how I'm going to seal the cracks and add insulation. No matter what you buy adding insulation will help greatly with comfort and in keeping the heat in the house in the first place. Thus reducing the amount of heat needed to begin with and also decrease the amount of wood needed.
I would NOT underestimate, delay or cut corners there at all.
However, back to the subject: I do like my little soap stone. If you plan on burning 24x7 they are great. Nice, gentle heat that makes a room very comfortable. They look great and really even out the heat output during the burning cycles. I'm a fan.
I'd pay more attention to how I'm going to seal the cracks and add insulation. No matter what you buy adding insulation will help greatly with comfort and in keeping the heat in the house in the first place. Thus reducing the amount of heat needed to begin with and also decrease the amount of wood needed.
I would NOT underestimate, delay or cut corners there at all.
However, back to the subject: I do like my little soap stone. If you plan on burning 24x7 they are great. Nice, gentle heat that makes a room very comfortable. They look great and really even out the heat output during the burning cycles. I'm a fan.
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