Measure Firewood Received - Need Mathemetician

[msbree]

Hello all,

I need help figuring out how many total cords of firewood I just stacked. There are two tight stacks, and measurements are in inches, and I need total of both stacks combined!

Stack #1:
Height - 45 inches
Width - 19 inches
Length - 116 inches

Stack #2
Height - 24 inches
Width - 19 inches
Length - 85 inches

Thank you so much

 

[Stoneduster]

0.62 cord.

 

[msbree]

0.62 cord.

Really? So this translates into just a little over 1/2 cord?

 

[Stoneduster]

((24x19x85)+(45x19x116))/1728
(38,760+99,180)/1728
137,940/1728=79.82 cu.ft./128=0.62 cords.

 

[Husky]

Hello all,

I need help figuring out how many total cords of firewood I just stacked. There are two tight stacks, and measurements are in inches, and I need total of both stacks combined!

Stack #1:
Height - 45 inches
Width - 19 inches
Length - 116 inches

Stack #2
Height - 24 inches
Width - 19 inches
Length - 85 inches

Thank you so much

You don't need a Mathematician but a quick search on the internet for a calculator. Here you go http://www.calculatorpro.com/calculator/cord-calculator/
This will do the job.

 

[RSNovi]

I calculated the same 0.62.

 

[msbree]

Thank you Stoneduster and Husky....I did figure out myself too and came up with the same 0.62. So this is the equivalent to a little over 1/2 cord?

 

[msbree]

I did figure out myself too and came up with the same 0.62. So this is the equivalent to a little over 1/2 cord?

I really need for someone to confirm that 0.62 is a little over 1/2 cord, please! If so, I am seeing RED because I was charged for 2 (two) cords!

 

[HybridFyre]

I really need for someone to confirm that 0.62 is a little over 1/2 cord, please! If so, I am seeing RED because I was charged for 2 (two) cords!

Yes a little over a half cord. You got hosed bad. Sorry man.

 

[blades]

Man even if ya cross stacked it it would not occupy the same volume as 2 full cords.

 

[msbree]

Thanks for confirming, and I'm SICK over this I've been using this same guy for last few years, and never questioned quantity because I always started out the season with "6" cords, and finished with a total of about "7" cords!

This year, starting in July and finishing early October, I had a total amount of "9" cords delivered, MORE than enough for this entire season AND to carry me over into next year! How odd, by early December, panic was starting to set in as I realized I had already burnt more than half of what he delivered this year! So I figure I'd order 2 more cords so I wouldn't run out (a total of 12 cords)! This just NEVER sat right with me, as these last "2" cords are the 0.62 this thread is about! This is why I went out to measure them this morning!

NOW I'm going to have to deal with this guy.....I just noticed their company Facebook page is not up! hummmm Attached are images of both stacks, using dimensions above!

 

[Dune]

A theft of this magnitude is a felony.
Of course the police will tell you it is "civil" so...


BUYING FIREWOOD IN NEW JERSEY
■ New Jersey’s regulations require that except for
packaged firewood and whole logs, sellers of firewood
are required to sell firewood by using the
term “cord” or fractional parts of a cord. A cord is
defined as the amount of firewood which would
fill a space of 128 cubic feet, when the firewood
pieces are stacked in a compact manner with individual
pieces touching and parallel to each other.
■ It is unlawful for a seller of firewood to advertise
or sell the firewood by terms such as “face cord,”
“rack,” “pile,” “truckload,” etc.
■ If the firewood is sold and delivered to your house,
the seller of the firewood is required to give you
an itemized delivery ticket or sales invoice containing
at least the following information:
The legal name and address of the seller, and the
name and address of the buyer of the firewood;
The date the firewood was delivered, and the price
for the amount of firewood delivered;
The quality of the firewood delivered and the
quantity upon which the price is based, if it differs
from the delivery quantity;
The identity of the most descriptive terms commercially
practicable, including any quality representation
made in connection with the sale (for
example, seasoned mixed hardwoods); and
The serial number of the delivery ticket or invoice.
■ Packaged firewood, which is generally sold in hardware
stores and supermarkets and contains less
than four (4) cubic feet of firewood, must show
the net weight of the firewood and the number of
pieces of firewood in the package.
■ If you feel that you have been shorted, contact the
seller to correct the problem. If the seller will not
correct the problem, you should call the state Office
of Weights and Measures at 732-815-4840 or go to
www.NJConsumerAffairs.gov/weights/
county.htm to find your local county office. Do not
burn any firewood sold and delivered to you in that
transaction until the firewood has been examined and
re-measured by a N.J. Weights and Measures officer.

 

[Fod01]

Can we ask the cost? Maybe he's (illegally) selling face cords. If you paid like $75, you're good.
Just a thought.

 

[msbree]

Dune...thanks for pasting this all out! Yes, I know this is some serious stuff!

Can we ask the cost? Maybe he's (illegally) selling face cords. If you paid like $75, you're good.
Just a thought.

No where near!! He's been giving me the same cost per cord year round! $175/cord or $350 for my usual 2 cords!

 

[msbree]

If the firewood is sold and delivered to your house,
the seller of the firewood is required to give you
an itemized delivery ticket or sales invoice containing
at least the following information:
The legal name and address of the seller, and the
name and address of the buyer of the firewood;
The date the firewood was delivered, and the price
for the amount of firewood delivered;
The quality of the firewood delivered and the
quantity upon which the price is based, if it differs
from the delivery quantity;
The identity of the most descriptive terms commercially
practicable, including any quality representation
made in connection with the sale (for
example, seasoned mixed hardwoods);

I'm SCREWED He has NEVER given me a receipt for ANY delivery over the years! It would be his word against mine! The only thing I have are check receipts made out to him!

 

[Highbeam]

You have the benefit of surprise now. He doesn't know that you know that he is a crook and/or ignorant about what a cord is.

The average wood guy is not a rocket scientist.

If you need more wood, order it and then after he unloads you can get a receipt for all of this year's wood in the stack. Refuse to pay more and call the cops if he tries to steal your wood.

 

[Gboutdoors]

I do not buy wood but if this was me I would contact N J weights and measures and see if some one could come out and then I would order one more cord and have them there at the time of delivery. If he has been screwing you this long trust me he will this time also.

 

[msbree]

You guys have all been extremely helpful, and I appreciate it very much! I'll probably be contacting NJ Weights & Measures Monday to see what recourse, if any, I might have! Without the required receipts that I never got, I really don't have a leg to stand on! Honestly, I really don't want this guy near or on my property again! MAJOR lesson learned...

 

[weatherguy]

You might have a leg to stand on, you have the check, if he says he charges $175 cord and you gave him a check for $350 you should have two cords, show W & M what you have and bingo, you got him.

 

[Babaganoosh]

Bookmarked because I'm in NJ and this is good information

 

[bags]

This stuff is abundant. Most and I say MOST of the guys selling around here advertise all kinds of ways and I do not think they truly know what a cord is. Just for a quick reference a standard 8 foot bed pickup truck packed fairly tight and heaped up a bit is about 1/3 of a cord. This is an empty bed. No tool boxes and spare tires. Three of these loads would be about equal to one true cord of wood. Close enough to be fair.

I see morons daily advertising small Toyota truck loads and 5- 6 ft. beds as 1/3 of a cord. Not even close. Has your scammer or uneducated as to what a cord is delivery guy been delivering with his truck or a trailer? How and what does he bring it in? .62 is just over 1/2 of a cord like many stated above. This is BS and NOT 2 cords! If he is saying it is two cords then you are not even getting but just over a half of a cord I would say he owes you another TRUE cord and a half. That's just on this double cord deluxe special.

Here in KY (Just figured out Ralpie Boy here lives about 3 or 4 miles from me) 1/3 cord is around $75 or an 8 ft. pickup truck load picked up. That is current going rate here. Usually a bit more if delivered. So $225 per cord or Maybe tops $300 delivered and thrown off. If you paid $350 he pulled some highway robbery on you. Sorry to hear that and he should be held accountable. Basically you paid $350 for about $100 to $125 worth of wood not counting his delivery fee. Some guys around here will deliver for free but some charge a nominal fee of say $25 to cover fuel costs depending. And maybe another $25 to stack but this varies.

Some of the guys I've seen with little trailers think they are selling cords too. Ridiculous at best. Don't feel bad........Get even. Many people get screwed like this. Some of these guys on Craigslist I have called for sport and when they know you know what a real cord is they change their tune. Unfortunately there are many dirt bags selling wood. It makes it rough on the legit guys and farmers that are honest about it. Good Luck.

 

[claydogg84]

You guys have all been extremely helpful, and I appreciate it very much! I'll probably be contacting NJ Weights & Measures Monday to see what recourse, if any, I might have! Without the required receipts that I never got, I really don't have a leg to stand on! Honestly, I really don't want this guy near or on my property again! MAJOR lesson learned...

Did you try to contact him and give him a chance to fix the problem? Having receipts from paying puts you in the drivers seat here, if you do in fact, sue.

 

[Poindexter]

No way are you burning 12 cords annually in NJ unless it is your only heat is wood and you got 2000+ sqft built before the revolution.

 

[AnalogKid]

I'm wondering if this guy truly just has no idea what a full cord is? Trying to pawn-off just over a 1/2 cord as 2-full takes some serious balls.

I would maybe call him up and just politely ask him how he calculates, or comes up with his ballpark totals when measuring for his deliveries. His answer will tell you if, a) he is just clueless, or b) if he truly does know and is hoping you don't.

Ignorance doesn't make it right, obviously, but at least it may help you determine how you'd like to approach him about the light loads.

 

[byQ]

At least he isn't charging much for a 'cord', only $175. Let's see, you got .62 of a cord for $175 so at this rate a real cord would cost ~$282. That is, with the delivery you got you would have had to pay and additional $107 to get an actual cord by the way this guy measures out his wood.

So if you were to order 2.25 cords and he followed his same measuring technique you would get (.62) x 2.25 = 1.395 cords, in fact. You could pay him $175 after it was dumped and you would have your $175/cord as he advertised. That is you would have approximately 2 cords for $175 x 2 = $350 (including the 1st short cord, .62 + 1.396 = ~2 cords).