Mini Ice Age

[CTFIRE]

Saw this article

http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/08...-agemuch-colder-wintersdramatic-consequences/

Combined with news that the sun will flip poles in the next 4 months. You may want to add a few cords to your 14/15 and 15/16 stacks.

 

[NortheastAl]

First warming, then cooling. Goes to show that no one knows what is gong to happen a few years out. Stock up on wood, just in case this guy's right.

 

[ScotO]

First warming, then cooling. Goes to show that no one knows what is gong to happen a few years out. Stock up on wood, just in case this guy's right.

Any excuse to hoard more firewood is fine by me!! Bring on the cold!!

 

[Woody Stover]

First warming, then cooling. Goes to show that no one knows what is gong to happen a few years out.

Part of the warming scenario is that warming and melting of the ice caps causes more evaporation of ocean water, hence more moisture in the air which produces more snow. They have a long way to go before they really start to understand what's happening; There are a lot of influences at play; It's very complex. They mention solar activity, for example. There is warming on other planet as well, and they aren't burning oil there as far as I know.

Any excuse to hoard more firewood is fine by me!! Bring on the cold!!

I was in total agreement until the 'Bring on the cold' part. I hate wearing long pants!

 

[begreen]

Saw this article

http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/08...-agemuch-colder-wintersdramatic-consequences/

Tried hard, but I couldn't find the source article on the referred newspaper's website (http://jyllands-posten.dk/). A google search for "lille istid" did not turn it up either. Couldn't find the author on the company website either. Considering it is translated from Danish, hard to say much about it. It may be wrong or it may be right. There are lots of predictions for this. Ask me in 20 years if they are true.

Climate depot is funded by CFACT, largest donor Exxon Mobil and the uber conservative Carthage Foundation. Not that that would have any influence here.

 

[Backwoods Savage]

Nothing new here. During most of the 70's they were forecasting a second coming of the ice age. Then that year when Lake Superior froze completely for the first time really nailed it. However, since the 80's most of MI has seen warmer and less snow in winter, much the same as other places. I also recall back in the late 40's and early 50's the prediction was that by the year 2000 we'd need only sweaters during the winter months. Of course, at the time we were going through some very mild conditions with very little snow....

 

[Woody Stover]

Climate depot is funded by CFACT, largest donor Exxon Mobil and the uber conservative Carthage Foundation. Not that that would have any influence here.

Hard to believe they have still got us driving around in 100-year-old, oil-burning technology....wait, no, not that hard to believe.

 

[jharkin]

Climate depot is about as fact driven as conservopedia and the weekly world news. Zzzzzzzzz.... Zzzzzzzz.....

 

[NortheastAl]

Hard to believe they have still got us driving around in 100-year-old, oil-burning technology....wait, no, not that hard to believe.

And, we're still burnin' wood. Sheesh! What'll be next...coal? LOL.

 

[Doug MacIVER]

Climate depot is about as fact driven as conservopedia and the weekly world news. Zzzzzzzzz.... Zzzzzzzz.....

agreed, I sleep better when it's cold

 

[Woody Stover]

And, we're still burnin' wood. Sheesh! What'll be next...coal? LOL.

Bah. We should have free energy by now.

 

[NortheastAl]

Bah. We should have free energy by now.

We do, for the most part...wood!

We are getting closer. Innovation and collaboration will bring lower cost energy. Nothing is free, anyway. Look how much solar panels and wind turbines cost. But, yes, they are getting cheaper all the time. The good thing is that those products allow some of us to drop off the grid, while allowing others that wish to, keep jobs. Seems like a win-win, for now.

 

[Lake Girl]

My sister's place is off the grid - near Naples, NY. Neighbor wouldn't allow them to cross their property with transmission lines. Although expensive, they are happy with the results. Two solar arrays now and propane generator gets fired up just for maintenance. Wood heat from their own stands of trees too

 

[Doug MacIVER]

Tried hard, but I couldn't find the source article on the referred newspaper's website (http://jyllands-posten.dk/). A google search for "lille istid" did not turn it up either. Couldn't find the author on the company website either. Considering it is translated from Danish, hard to say much about it. It may be wrong or it may be right. There are lots of predictions for this. Ask me in 20 years if they are true.

Climate depot is funded by CFACT, largest donor Exxon Mobil and the uber conservative Carthage Foundation. Not that that would have any influence here.

there can be no doubt this was caused by manmade agw

 

[NortheastAl]

My sister's place is off the grid - near Naples, NY. Neighbor wouldn't allow them to cross their property with transmission lines. Although expensive, they are happy with the results. Two solar arrays now and propane generator gets fired up just for maintenance. Wood heat from their own stands of trees too

Looks like the neighbor did them a favor for the longer term. In spite of the expense, it is good to be independent of the grid.

 

[begreen]

there can be no doubt this was caused by manmade agw

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So it was a very hot summer and some strong storms occurred. What does local weather have to do with global climate change?

 

[Doug MacIVER]

So it was a very hot summer and some strong storms occurred. What does local weather have to do with global climate change?

the agw powers have mentioned many times lately that weather extremes are associated with climate change, even at the local level. that outbreak is extreme for New England no matter when it took place.http://phys.org/news/2013-02-links-extreme-weather-climate.html

 

[begreen]

Every year we get lots of folks here saying it's too warm/cold this winter and blame or dispute climate change. So what? People say all sorts of things and the internet has given anyone with a connection a voice. Doesn't make it science or fact. Local and regional extremes have been happening since the planet formed. It's the averages and trends that are more important.

 

[Doug MacIVER]

found this interesting from the cs monitor http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/20...orth-America-is-key-to-their-coming-and-going

 

[woodgeek]

I'm all for the cold.....just had the house upinsulated....bring it on.

solar polar flip, yawn.

 

[begreen]

I think you are confusing the CSM with the Southern Baptist Journal. The majority of Christians have a much firmer grip on reality and science.

 

[Frozen Canuck]

I think you are confusing the CSM with the Southern Baptist Journal. The majority of Christians have a much firmer grip on reality and science.

Agreed - deleted.

 

[Doug MacIVER]

Christian Science Monitor! You are joking right?

Folks who will try to tell me that Jesus rode a dinosaur & the earth is about 6000 years old are hardly what a sane person would call a reliable source of scientific info.

Seriously once you eliminate all the whack-a-doodles how many of the remaining number of people would consider them a reliable peer reviewed source of scientific info?

No wonder science has moved on from discussing agw.

What's the point if you first have to teach the other person grade 1-6 science & then try to somehow get them past their religious dogma.

 

[Doug MacIVER]

csw monitor was always a respected print in boston, their religion I have no clue. I guess the folks that conducted this study would know enough to teach grade I-6 as the institutions listed are pretty liberal.

 

[StihlHead]

The sun flips poles every 11 years. It correlates to the 11 year sun spot and solar cycles. Though this is supposed to be the weakest the Sun has been in about 100 years. Here is the scientific explanation:

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/The-Weakest-Solar-Cycle-in-100-Years-216752671.html

While solar activity does fluctuate over time, it is not believed to be the main cause of the geological ice ages that we are living in now. The current ice age started 2.6 million years ago and has seen a series of glacier cycles of between 40k and 100k years long. The current inter-glacial warming period started about 10k years go. The more recent mini ice age was between 1350 and 1850 when things were cooling off again. The worst years were around 1700 when beer casks froze solid, the rivers in Europe froze solid, and the oceans and seas around Europe froze for many miles out from the coastlines. Many of my ancestors left Europe for the New England colonies around then. The coldest periods of that era coincided with the onset of the industrial revolution (which also started about 1700) from which time things have warmed up. The fairly well accepted scientific theory is that we were heading into another glacial/ice era if it were not for the industrial revolution and the release of large amounts of CO2.

There are contradictory forces happening having effects on global climate in this inter-glacial/ice era. Around 13k years ago something happened that caused the warming of the atmosphere and the glaciers to recede from the last ice era that had lasted for about 100k years. There is scientific evidence that there was a large release of CO2 from the deep north Pacific ocean that likely caused this to happen. Around 1350 things were starting to cool down again from the effects of geological CO2 re-absorption. These effects include large peat bog activity, ocean action, and Himalayan mountain erosion which all sequester CO2 from the atmosphere in large amounts. These are rather gradual and slow processes though, but processes that are believed to be the cause of the great ice ages of the last several million years. On top of these background geological ice-age CO2 absorption and release process there has been the rapid increase in atmospheric CO2 from humans burning fossil fuels from the onset of the industrial revolution (since about 1700). It is believed that the CO2 release by humans, and resulting 'global warming' is counteracting what would otherwise be the onset of the next ice era. While some CO2 warming has likely been a good thing to put off the next glacial/ice era, we have released way too much of the stuff in too short a time for our own good. We have created a new era of atmospheric CO2 levels that has not been seen in 2 million years.

The science behind deep ocean CO2 ending the last ice era from 110,000 to about 10,000 years ago, and evidence that the CO2 in the atmosphere today is mainly from fossil fuel:

http://scienceblog.com/37898/large-co2-release-speeds-up-ice-age-melting/