New Summit Insert Break In Fire & Initial Thoughts...

[Hogwildz]

I should have fired her up last night, but really don't need heat for another month maybe.

First thoughts & impressions:
New design, there is s slight whistle and flapper clanging at one of the air intakes, either primary or secondary at the EBT.
Sounds more like the right front(looking at the stove face), leading me to think there is a new design on not only the EBT, but also the primary air intake. My guess is there is indeed a draft controlled flapper at the primary air intake. The intake does have the slight whistle as I noted and the flapper at first made me think there was a bat or mouse in there LOL. But I noted as I opened and closed the door, the sound is distinctively a draft operated flapper, as it clanked more along with the opening and closing of the door.
Never heard or experienced this with the old A model Summit.
Slightly annoying, but will get used to it I am sure, and the fans drown that out.

Just a break in fire, so some secondaries, but no major stuff.
Not getting cold enough to go for any serious heat.

Fans came on when I just went out at about 350
2 fans(one each side) as opposed to one large one on the right side with the A model.
Fans sound and feel just as powerful, but this new design sends maybe 75% of the heated air over the top plate cover, and 25% underneath the plate to over the door. No opinion on this yet.
About just as loud as the old fan. I don't have a problem with that, the tv always goes louder.
And I actually like the sound of the blower(s) as it is white noise for me, and soothing, knowing it also indicates heat is in operation.

Door so far, does not appear to feel looser as when the insert gets up in temps.
Old insert did this.
The door already feels snugger than the old one ever was. Old door btw.
I am waiting for the new one to come.

I laid the bricks put to dry a couple days and no real moisture came from them. The steel inside did let off a lot or moisture and that fairly quickly burnt off.

The baffle at 100 did obtain a very slight sag in the front middle.
The baffle has 2 more rows of port holes on each side of the center one all running front to back about 1/3 to 1/2 the way back from the front.
I seem to remember the baffle appearing to have weld spots towards the mid back. Maybe they added stiffeners inside to help with sagging & warpage. I am not really worried about that as the old baffle was warped pretty good and did it's job without a problem.

The boost manifold bowed slightly also. I do know it is slightly shorter side to side than the old one, note sure if they changed the material composition or used a different thickness. Didn't notice.
Not concerned about this either.

The paint curing smell is no worse than the previous model, slightly mild stink, no headache, no nausea, just smells like something baking. Now I have fresh baked bread on my mind.

Won't get to check the secondary flamage or EBT differences for quite some time, but that day will come soon enough.

Appears to heat up and put out heat in similar way as the old model.

So far, very happy. But has not been put to the test yet.
I'll post a vid if/when able

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[budman]

Must be nice to get a new stove every 5 years,I'm going on year 8 and still in great shape.

 

[Trooper]

Fans came on when I just went out at about 350

Thanks for the report, Hogwildz. Where are you measuring your temps?

New design, there is s slight whistle and flapper clanging at one of the air intakes, either primary or secondary at the EBT

Why do some inserts have 2 air intakes and some only 1?

 

[Hogwildz]

Must be nice to get a new stove every 5 years,I'm going on year 8 and still in great shape.

Actually going on year 8, and the original was in fine shape.
When offered a new one, I was not going to turn it down.

 

[Hogwildz]

Thanks for the report, Hogwildz. Where are you measuring your temps?

Why do some inserts have 2 air intakes and some only 1?

The only place really available to take temps on the Summit is the front face above the door. I use a thermo on both upper corners.
Most have 2, you just don't realize they do. Primary for your main combustion air source, and secondaries which is your baffle system up top.

 

[begreen]

I'm pretty sure there is only the EBT on the secondary. Nothing on the primary to my knowledge. It makes sense that it would flap closed as the door is opened. Well, at least you have an audible verification of operation now and know it's not sticking. My guess is that the sound is just traveling to the front. I'll be curious to see how the new baffle design works out. The old one with the center holes does a flaming buzz cut through the splits as the fire burns down.

 

[madison]

I'm pretty sure there is only the EBT on the secondary. Nothing on the primary to my knowledge. It makes sense that it would flap closed as the door is opened. Well, at least you have an audible verification of operation now and know it's not sticking. My guess is that the sound is just traveling to the front. I'll be curious to see how the new baffle design works out. The old one with the center holes does a flaming buzz cut through the splits as the fire burns down.

I've been tempted to drill some holes in the rear corners of the baffle to try to spread out the blow torch in the front center of the baffle and increase the burn in the rear corners....

 

[Hogwildz]

I've been tempted to drill some holes in the rear corners of the baffle to try to spread out the blow torch in the front center of the baffle and increase the burn in the rear corners....

There are already secondary ports in the baffle at the very back under the metal flange on bottom.
The flange stops them from blowing down though and creates a secondary fan of flames that just goes over top of the load.
I am hoping the 2 additional rows of ports on the underside don't blow torch 2 more sets of holes through whatever is under them.

 

[1750]

That's a good looking fire. It makes me want to burn some wood!

Congrats on the new insert.

 

[Dave A.]

there is s slight whistle and flapper clanging at one of the air intakes, either primary or secondary at the EBT.

Never noticed a whistle (maybe with a full 2 story house your flue is more powerful -- 1 only have abt 15 ft liner (edit: should be18 ft) above my insert), and I would call the EBT flapper sound more like a slap or bang on mine (a little louder than the ticking during metal expansion in heat up or cool down). The clanging I heard (actually have referred to it as a "jangle" was the boost manifold which didn't sit flat -- I pounded it out in a vice a little to make it sit more uniformly a few times and that noise is just about gone now.

But I noted as I opened and closed the door, the sound is distinctively a draft operated flapper

Maybe my series B is different. I never noticed the opening and closing of the flap as being that frequent or tied to door openings. I tend to notice it more during the cooling off stages of the burn last season or when shutting down the air.

I laid the bricks put to dry a couple days and no real moisture came from them.

Didn't even realize that should be a concern. Never even noticed anything drying out or even any paint smell during the breakin fires (with the Summit, did notice a paint smell with the Century.)

The baffle at 100 did obtain a very slight sag in the front middle.

I might have that, but it's so slight and not been a concern to me, that I haven't even gotten around to trying to measure it, and I can get pretty critical about things.

Good luck with the new insert. Would like to know the secret so I can trade mine in for free in a few years too.

 

[Trooper]

What's an EBT? Closest thing I could find on the web was English Bull Terrier

 

[Hogwildz]

Extended Burn Technology

 

[ddddddden]

(broken link removed to http://chimneysweeponline.com/hoebt.htm)

 

[madison]

There are already secondary ports in the baffle at the very back under the metal flange on bottom.
The flange stops them from blowing down though and creates a secondary fan of flames that just goes over top of the load.
I am hoping the 2 additional rows of ports on the underside don't blow torch 2 more sets of holes through whatever is under them.

Interesting as I have had my baffle out, and there were no holes on the rear ? Just a single row dead center from back the front, and then on the front edge and along the front of the baffle facing towards the stove door. I do get secondaries around the baffle gasket area and out a cpl inches on either side of the gasket area. I was thinking of starting small, ie 1/8" and just a couple holes ~ 2 " in from the rear corners ...

 

[Hogwildz]

Interesting as I have had my baffle out, and there were no holes on the rear ? Just a single row dead center from back the front, and then on the front edge and along the front of the baffle facing towards the stove door. I do get secondaries around the baffle gasket area and out a cpl inches on either side of the gasket area. I was thinking of starting small, ie 1/8" and just a couple holes ~ 2 " in from the rear corners ...

There is holes under the lower back bent part of the baffle. Trust me, they are there. I have seen them in both A & B model baffles. And posted pictures somewhere on here.