p61 acting up - first run since purchase

[kelly]

continued to run first fire and ran fine and ran it in stove mode and set at 3 ran good for 1 hour exactly and started shut down and 6 blink code on board , turned stove/room heat knob to stop and back to stove heat and auger and fan started back into cycle and ran 1 more hour and same condition , 6 blinks from status and shutting down . when I did allow it to burn down and finish the shutdown distribution fan stayed on low and chamber fan stayed on full a nd both never shut down even when stove cold - I unplugged I did notice the burn even on low was very warm and it seems to walk slightly upward of the setting instead of staying a small burn at 2 , . thanks for your imput

 

[DAKSY]

If this is a NEW unit, it sounds like there is a blockage in either the incoming air or the flue.
If it's a used unit, here's the troubleshooting page from the manual:

 

[Val]

maybe it stopped feeding pellets because of a couple of simple things:
Maybe there was a lot of sawdust at the bottom of the hopper left from the pellet bag and it stopped the slider plate from letting more pellets to drop through.
Or maybe poor quality of pellet caused the fire to burn down and go out.

I am used to 6 blink status but I run my Harman stove on room temperature mode. A lot of time its because the stove fails to ignite because I have carbon in the burn pot. Yeah, I clean the pot but my job works me a lot of hours and I just want to sleep when i come home from work. I am used to waking up freezing cause the stove went out because I let the pot get too dirty.

 

[alternativeheat]

continued to run first fire and ran fine and ran it in stove mode and set at 3 ran good for 1 hour exactly and started shut down and 6 blink code on board , turned stove/room heat knob to stop and back to stove heat and auger and fan started back into cycle and ran 1 more hour and same condition , 6 blinks from status and shutting down . when I did allow it to burn down and finish the shutdown distribution fan stayed on low and chamber fan stayed on full a nd both never shut down even when stove cold - I unplugged I did notice the burn even on low was very warm and it seems to walk slightly upward of the setting instead of staying a small burn at 2 , . thanks for your imput

So this is a new stove and new install ? And this is the first firing of the stove correct ? Who installed it and explain the installation arrangement ( also outside air kit or not, termination caps used etc). How air tight is the house it is in if there is no OAK. ? What pellets are you using and are there any in the batch of pellets that look over 1-1/2 " long.

 

[F4jock]

What do you notice in the burnpot when you get the six blinks? To Val, hard to understand your situation unless you are burning really crappy pellets. I just had an ash experience with some TSC Indeks that I don't want to repeat but my Harman never went out. Have you tried a different brand of pellets?

 

[Val]

What do you notice in the burnpot when you get the six blinks? To Val, hard to understand your situation unless you are burning really crappy pellets. I just had an ash experience with some TSC Indeks that I don't want to repeat but my Harman never went out. Have you tried a different brand of pellets?

usually it would happen when I would have black carbon accumulated on the pot sides and over the burnpot holes where the igniter would fire. It also happened more often when I was burning off more of my old pellet stock...pellets that were 3 years old. I had the igniter fail twice in 9 years, too. Then I tried burning some corn (only about 25% or less) with the pellets because i thought that would be "cool"...I actually like grain burning stoves. Well, that was a goof up because i think the corn wasnt dry enough. That actually left like a "glaze" on the inside of the stove door. Almost like what you get when you spill sugar in the oven.

Not this summer, which was "junk car repair summer", but the summer previous. I did my best to clean the 2006 Harman out-got the glaze out with oven cleaner and took out the auger and cleaned the auger bore, which was wood fined and "squeaking" and cleaning the slider plate. This is a story in itself, because it took me quite a while for the first time. Youre doing things with very little info because Harman wants to keep everything a big secret.

So far this year I think I had only one non ignite and I dont know why. But I cleaned up my act with pellet hoarding. i have fresh pellets and try to keep 1 ton or less carryover and also hopefully the stove is maintained better, except I messed up the air wash so i always have a dirty glass- but thats something to fix in the future.

For pellet brands, I am limited in my area to what I can get. Usually I like Michigan pellets. But what is more readily available is Dry Creek. I also have some Instant Heat, which i havent used a lot of to have an opinion. I usually dont get pellets from Home depot or Lowes because at times they seem overpriced and cheaper pellets.

 

[F4jock]

usually it would happen when I would have black carbon accumulated on the pot sides and over the burnpot holes where the igniter would fire. It also happened more often when I was burning off more of my old pellet stock...pellets that were 3 years old. I had the igniter fail twice in 9 years, too. Then I tried burning some corn (only about 25% or less) with the pellets because i thought that would be "cool"...I actually like grain burning stoves. Well, that was a goof up because i think the corn wasnt dry enough. That actually left like a "glaze" on the inside of the stove door. Almost like what you get when you spill sugar in the oven.

Not this summer, which was "junk car repair summer", but the summer previous. I did my best to clean the 2006 Harman out-got the glaze out with oven cleaner and took out the auger and cleaned the auger bore, which was wood fined and "squeaking" and cleaning the slider plate. This is a story in itself, because it took me quite a while for the first time. Youre doing things with very little info because Harman wants to keep everything a big secret.

So far this year I think I had only one non ignite and I dont know why. But I cleaned up my act with pellet hoarding. i have fresh pellets and try to keep 1 ton or less carryover and also hopefully the stove is maintained better, except I messed up the air wash so i always have a dirty glass- but thats something to fix in the future.

For pellet brands, I am limited in my area to what I can get. Usually I like Michigan pellets. But what is more readily available is Dry Creek. I also have some Instant Heat, which i havent used a lot of to have an opinion. I usually dont get pellets from Home depot or Lowes because at times they seem overpriced and cheaper pellets.

So what you have realized is that if you operate and maintain the stove within its design parameters it works.

 

[alternativeheat]

For pellet brands, I am limited in my area to what I can get. Usually I like Michigan pellets. But what is more readily available is Dry Creek. I also have some Instant Heat, which i havent used a lot of to have an opinion. I usually dont get pellets from Home depot or Lowes because at times they seem overpriced and cheaper pellets.

I'm burning Pure Fire right this minute since it is warm out today why burn my DF's. Pure Fire are made by dry Creek, I see nothing wrong with them, they are softwood and make a little ash but relatively little carbon and making good heat. I scrape carbon off my pot daily whether it's really there or not. It's just habit. But I found none on the pot this AM after a night of Pure Fires.

Anyway I doubt any of this has anything to do with the OP's thread since I guess his stove is brand new ?

 

[F4jock]

I'm burning Pure Fire right this minute since it is warm out today why burn my DF's. Pure Fire are made by dry Creek, I see nothing wrong with them, they are softwood and make a little ash but relatively little carbon and making good heat. I scrape carbon off my pot daily whether it's really there or not. It's just habit. But I found none on the pot this AM after a night of Pure Fires.

Anyway I doubt any of this has anything to do with the OP's thread since I guess his stove is brand new ?

Asked OP for info. No reply yet. Since Val had a concern was trying to address that as well. Have you ever considered becoming a moderator?

 

[alternativeheat]

Asked OP for info. No reply yet. Since Val had a concern was trying to address that as well. Have you ever considered becoming a moderator?

I tend to run OT myself here and there LOL ! I didn't mean to come off sounding accusatory , I just didn't think the OP would have carbon issues and if he pops back in here, I doubt he needs to go looking for carbon just yet.. Meanwhile, I think Val will do fine with Dry creek incidentally.

 

[F4jock]

I didn't mean to come off sounding accusatory , I just didn't think the OP would have carbon issues and if he pops back in here, I doubt he needs to go looking for carbon just yet.. Meanwhile, I think Val will do fine with Dry creek incidentally.

I was just kidding.. . . . But just in case don't forget to get a copy of that cat picture. . . .

As for the OP he or she wasn't specific as to the shutdown condition. I got six blinks once when the hopper went empty. . . . . Just trying to narrow it down but yeah, maybe draft problems. . . . .

 

[alternativeheat]

But just in case don't forget to get a copy of that cat picture. . . .

??

 

[F4jock]

??

One of the mods uses it when he locks a thread. Cat flushing g a toilet. Cute but gets rather old. . .

 

[alternativeheat]

Oh yes of course !

 

[Bioburner]

Might well be something in the auger flights causing a partial feed. Never know what may have fallen in a empty hopper. Stove works when feeding on high but can't feed a small fire because of the partial feed. Or an unlucky first bag of bad pellets.

 

[kelly]

Might well be something in the auger flights causing a partial feed. Never know what may have fallen in a empty hopper. Stove works when feeding on high but can't feed a small fire because of the partial feed. Or an unlucky first bag of bad pellets.

Back to the issue , used stove p61 -2 said to be 8 years old and runs for 1 hour always like clockwork and I run a Harman thimble with oak and it does have a 2 foot horizontal run with termination cap . all brand new and clean . this stove runs strong and hot and when I throttle it back to 2-1.5 5-7 inch flame then auger feed delivers and flame grows to 11or so then back to 5-7 inch flame . the problem ocours with the hour time limit and burns down - if I turn to off and to either stove or room temp back to the burn for one more hour . it produces good heat . Next when it does shut down the distribution fan only slows - never shuts off and exhaust fan continues even when stove cold - both continue . I will clean pot passage and air holes again to ensure . it does seem to be getting enough pellets and like clockwork every 30 sec, auger comes on for 20 or so seconds in# 2 longer in three and# 4 . I believe normal . could this be an ESP situation - I know the manual says blockage but is the esp thinking still heat when cold or over-fire situation at the hour or is it the stove /room pot that is bad not letting the distribution fan drop off when stove cold and then just let the exhaust fan run its course .

 

[F4jock]

Back to the issue , used stove p61 -2 said to be 8 years old and runs for 1 hour always like clockwork and I run a Harman thimble with oak and it does have a 2 foot horizontal run with termination cap . all brand new and clean . this stove runs strong and hot and when I throttle it back to 2-1.5 5-7 inch flame then auger feed delivers and flame grows to 11or so then back to 5-7 inch flame . the problem ocours with the hour time limit and burns down - if I turn to off and to either stove or room temp back to the burn for one more hour . it produces good heat . Next when it does shut down the distribution fan only slows - never shuts off and exhaust fan continues even when stove cold - both continue . I will clean pot passage and air holes again to ensure . it does seem to be getting enough pellets and like clockwork every 30 sec, auger comes on for 20 or so seconds in# 2 longer in three and# 4 . I believe normal . could this be an ESP situation - I know the manual says blockage but is the esp thinking still heat when cold or over-fire situation at the hour or is it the stove /room pot that is bad not letting the distribution fan drop off when stove cold and then just let the exhaust fan run its course .

Bad or dirty ESP maybe? Try cleaning and relanding the leads before you buy a new one.

 

[JDenyer236]

Bad or dirty ESP maybe? Try cleaning and relanding the leads before you buy a new one.

X2

 

[DAKSY]

X3

 

[kelly]

X2

can I use one from a p38 ? I think from frequency hits here its seems right .

 

[DAKSY]

You will need to make sure the wiring is the same color.
There are BLACK wired ESPs & RED wired ones.
They are not interchangeable without changing dipswitch settings on the control panel...

 

[kelly]

You will need to make sure the wiring is the same color.
There are BLACK wired ESPs & RED wired ones.
They are not interchangeable without changing dipswitch settings on the control panel...

do you mean if the colours are the same okay to use ?

 

[Bioburner]

yes

 

[kelly]

yes

thanks I will post back results when available -sounds like this pattern of frequency is the the ESP thanks again members for the education

 

[kelly]

yes

Just an update - dealer closed Monday and will make it there Wednesday - cleaned and reinstalled probe and same condition of shutdown with 50 minutes , I suspect someone has been in there because the small tang to release the wire from the back of the board was broken . I will report the run when the new one is run