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any chance theres any validity to his claims?
any chance theres any validity to his claims?
spotted this on ebay........another guy blowing smoke or the real deal?
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jeepin in maine said:
I would agree with their statement:
A stove loaded with firebrick is a warning sign! Manufacturers use
firebrick to protect thin firebox walls. As a result the heat is
slowed from getting to the outside, causing heat loss up the
chimney. Firebrick will have to be replaced yearly and if a brick falls
out of place, a hole will be burned through the firebox, rendering the
stove unusable . Brick also reduces the size of the firebox. "
As per their statement:
"You can burn anything in these stoves and the warranty stands.....unlike some outdoor stoves that void the warranty if you burn anything but wood. "
I think your neighbors will balk and the EPA may frown upon this practice.
Back in the 70's when oil was steep and new manufacturers came on board they made all sorts of attractive slogans to make you buy their product. Some survived but very few... So you end up holding the bag because they are not around to support their warrenty.
Buyer beware!
I don't agree with the firebrick part, I am still a noob though. I thought the fire brick acted as an insulating feature helping to enable high temps which produces the secondary burn we all love. As far as everything going out of the chimney, my stove is hotter than my chimney most of the time when primary air is dampened down. I didn't replace all of my firebrick from last year, a couple of pieces had to be replaced, but that was because of my fault, not the manufacturers. Also I would think that the fire brick is instrumental in allowing closer clearances.
Looks like that thing is a monster and I wish him good sales.
Looks like that thing is a monster and I wish him good sales.
Codeman812 said:
We own a stove that is 30+ years old, a smoke dragon.. not a stick of firebrick in it.... runs like a champ and except for replacing the grate no complaints. Owned stoves, Z-cans and a Yukon Multi. I wonder why my all cast stove has lasted this long and I hear so many complaints from owners who have only had their stoves for 2-3 years.... if not 2-3 months?
If you didn't have firebrick in your stove you would not have had a problem to begin with?
Jim,
You're a bit mislead about the firebrick. Yes in some cases, some manufacturers were using it to protect overly thing metals. NOW we use firebrick because it helps keep firebox internal temperatures high enough to maintain a clean burn, helps to protect the steel AND slows some heat from entering the room.
And firebrick almost always lasts for more than 6 monthes - MY grandfather is burning a stove that has the same firebrick from the day he bought it 23 years ago.
You're a bit mislead about the firebrick. Yes in some cases, some manufacturers were using it to protect overly thing metals. NOW we use firebrick because it helps keep firebox internal temperatures high enough to maintain a clean burn, helps to protect the steel AND slows some heat from entering the room.
And firebrick almost always lasts for more than 6 monthes - MY grandfather is burning a stove that has the same firebrick from the day he bought it 23 years ago.
Firebrick in itself means nothing. In fact, it is one of the best materials to take the real heat (and be replaceable). Even cast liners can warp and burn out, and it is usually more expensive than FB, plus you have to buy the part from the maker as opposed to "generic" FB.
Stoves like the Jotul 1's and 3's and Morso 1125 were all cast, yet lined with brick.
It is a great low-cost protector - and, as Corie mentioned, can be engineered to be part of an advanced combustion system.
Stoves like the Jotul 1's and 3's and Morso 1125 were all cast, yet lined with brick.
It is a great low-cost protector - and, as Corie mentioned, can be engineered to be part of an advanced combustion system.
"If you didn’t have firebrick in your stove you would not have had a problem to begin with?"
Hmmmm, I got no problems here. No firebrick cracked this year. Honestly I could have run the cracked firebrick I had still, but I didnt like looking at the crack. I ran it for awhile and it didnt get bigger or start to crumble. Nope just me being me and replacing it. No worrys here.
Hmmmm, I got no problems here. No firebrick cracked this year. Honestly I could have run the cracked firebrick I had still, but I didnt like looking at the crack. I ran it for awhile and it didnt get bigger or start to crumble. Nope just me being me and replacing it. No worrys here.
Being from Northeastern Iowa, I have actually seen one of these stoves.
I think it is the real deal. I am not sure about the fire brick part, but I know he uses some pretty thicked gauge steel to make these puppies.
I think it is the real deal. I am not sure about the fire brick part, but I know he uses some pretty thicked gauge steel to make these puppies.
Corie,
I'll agree with you 100%... steel cannot take the temps over the long run and needs firebrick or some sort of refactory lining. Long ago most manufacturers got away from making cast iron stoves. We know the reasons why and in-order to put out a safe product they has to resort to some sort of lining.
I'll agree with you 100%... steel cannot take the temps over the long run and needs firebrick or some sort of refactory lining. Long ago most manufacturers got away from making cast iron stoves. We know the reasons why and in-order to put out a safe product they has to resort to some sort of lining.
Too late be green,
I already read this thread & it seems, I'm not the only comedian on this board, as I know of at least 3, correction, 4 now, others. Actually,I am sure there are more out there lurking,
just waiting to spring out at me & other poor unsuspecting bullitin board members & monitors.
I think you missed it, the joke that guy was playing on us about wanting to convert a kitchen stove to secondary burn. I looked at the fire box of the 1930 kitchen stove I have in storage, today and they are small beyond belief, barly room for 3- 2x4's in there at the same time. Most ice fishing hut stoves probably have bigger fireboxes.
Almost impossible to get your hand in there ,let alone a power tool or work light and anyway
if he converted a kitchen baking stove to secondary burn ,it would ruin the baking temps.
thus the purpose of the stove.
He must have hurt his ribs rotflhfao at me & you for not catching on. He nailed us both, really good.
Still,I smile every time i think of it. I think i'l string him along and ask him how he is comming with his conversion , let him ramble on a bit, and then look for an oppretunity to let on that I knew all along that he was goofing on me.
As to this here thread, I would not spend $2,500.oo on that monstrosity, not to mention an additional 600 shipping, when for $1000 more
I could buy a duel fuel wood /oil hot water boiler, which is the direction I may take this summer.
My friend had one back in 1974 and it was a thing of bueaty.Its probably still running today, but he sold the house it is in and moved to a cheaper to live in state. Ct stinks. Hard to find a more expensive state than Ct. to live in. Anyplace else would cut my expenses by almost 40% , & some states ,by 60% cheaper, so I will be selling & moving too, after I wring several more years of income out of this property I now own.
I already read this thread & it seems, I'm not the only comedian on this board, as I know of at least 3, correction, 4 now, others. Actually,I am sure there are more out there lurking,
just waiting to spring out at me & other poor unsuspecting bullitin board members & monitors.
I think you missed it, the joke that guy was playing on us about wanting to convert a kitchen stove to secondary burn. I looked at the fire box of the 1930 kitchen stove I have in storage, today and they are small beyond belief, barly room for 3- 2x4's in there at the same time. Most ice fishing hut stoves probably have bigger fireboxes.
Almost impossible to get your hand in there ,let alone a power tool or work light and anyway
if he converted a kitchen baking stove to secondary burn ,it would ruin the baking temps.
thus the purpose of the stove.
He must have hurt his ribs rotflhfao at me & you for not catching on. He nailed us both, really good.
Still,I smile every time i think of it. I think i'l string him along and ask him how he is comming with his conversion , let him ramble on a bit, and then look for an oppretunity to let on that I knew all along that he was goofing on me.
As to this here thread, I would not spend $2,500.oo on that monstrosity, not to mention an additional 600 shipping, when for $1000 more
I could buy a duel fuel wood /oil hot water boiler, which is the direction I may take this summer.
My friend had one back in 1974 and it was a thing of bueaty.Its probably still running today, but he sold the house it is in and moved to a cheaper to live in state. Ct stinks. Hard to find a more expensive state than Ct. to live in. Anyplace else would cut my expenses by almost 40% , & some states ,by 60% cheaper, so I will be selling & moving too, after I wring several more years of income out of this property I now own.
- Jul 19, 2006
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Metal said:
Hmmm, looks like another addition for the RCL
First there was DOS, now there is RCL (Redneck Computer Language)
Log On: Makin' the wood stove hotter.
Log Off: Don't add no mo wood.
Monitor: Keepin' an eye on dat wood stove.
Download: Gettin' dat firewood off the pickup.
Mega Hertz: When ye get fur not being careful downloadin'.
Floppy Disk: Whatcha git from pilin' too much firewood.
Ram: The hydrolic thingy what splits the firewood.
Hard Drive: Gettin' da truck home in da snow.
Prompt: What you wish the mail carrier was in the winter.
Windows: What to shut when it gets 15 below.
Screen: What 'cha need for the black fly season.
Byte: Because dat is what dem flies do.
Chip: What you munch on watchn NASCAR.
Micro Chip: Dat's wats left in the bottom of da chip bag.
Infrared: Where left-overs go when Fred's around.
Modem: What 'cha did to the hay fields.
Dot Matrix: Dat be Mr. Matrix's wife.
Lap Top: Where little kids feel comfy.
Keyboard: Where ya hang da truck keys.
Software: Plastic eatin' utensils.
Mouse: Whats eats the horses oats.
Main Frame: Holds up the barn roof.
Port: Any of the 85 choices of Boone wine.
Enter: C'mon in.
Random Access Memory: You can't remember whatcha' paid for that new rifle when your wife asks.
Dave 1
awesome
Good thing I wasn't drinking no coffee right then
Oh my gawd. ROTFLMFAO
made my day.
Cant remember what i paid for my last rifle ,either!
I have that keyboard, right next to the kitchen sink!
RCL , I know 5 people like that!
All my friends drive pick up trucks, except me, mine is parked in the yard with no plates & a snow plow bolted on to it, waiting to plow the drive way, with a pile of wet logs in the bed to weigh it down for traction.
Mega Hertz- been there,done that!
I resemble those remarks!
Billy runs a log splitter for a living!
Pete cuts trees down for Ed the tree man & repairs chain saws.
Craig runs a landscaping business.
I guess i must be a redneck, even if i am alergic to sunlight & look white as a fish!
How ironic is that! :lol:
awesome
Good thing I wasn't drinking no coffee right then
Oh my gawd. ROTFLMFAO
made my day.
Cant remember what i paid for my last rifle ,either!
I have that keyboard, right next to the kitchen sink!
RCL , I know 5 people like that!
All my friends drive pick up trucks, except me, mine is parked in the yard with no plates & a snow plow bolted on to it, waiting to plow the drive way, with a pile of wet logs in the bed to weigh it down for traction.
Mega Hertz- been there,done that!
I resemble those remarks
!Billy runs a log splitter for a living!
Pete cuts trees down for Ed the tree man & repairs chain saws.
Craig runs a landscaping business.
I guess i must be a redneck, even if i am alergic to sunlight & look white as a fish!
How ironic is that! :lol:
- Jul 19, 2006
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Err. did you get it new at Slim's? ;-)
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Know over a dozen myself, & they all wear business suits during 9-5 2!
Err, how much fur yur truck? ;-)
Me 2!!I resemble those remarks
Ah feel yur pain, bro, suffer from that mhz disease 2. :coolsmile:
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Paid $600.oo bucks for it, but I ain't selling it, no way,no how, and heres why!
were having 6 inch of snow comming tomorrow afternoon & i gotta go out & blow up the flat tire & charge up the battery & get a 5 gal can of black gold($17.00) from the gas station sos it can run, fer just a little while, pushing the snow around the yard.
1985 chevy seria 4wd at 350 cu in v8 gas guzzler with more rust than my 1960 stove.
Even the rust holes have rust holes in them!
Pretty soon, all that going to be left is a bucket seat on top of a frame with an engine.
Well, maybe not quite that bad, not yet, there is still 3/4ths of the body left, but you get the idea.
I could never get that rust bucket registered but it dont need to be to plow my 100 ft x 200 ft drive way. I have the front part of the drive way rented out to a used car lot , so the drive way is paying its own way, but I still have to plow the back 100 ft that they
refuse to rent from me.
Cheap sob tennants.
Clutter up the yard with their junk used cars & the wont even rent the entire parcel of land from me.
But I fixed them good. I had 360 free oak pallets dumped by 6 trucks back there.
on craigslist.com I found a shipping yard that was ordered to clean up their location & were very happy to delevery the pallets to me so as not to have to pay dumping fees.
My tennant comes out all p.o.ed ."What are all those pallets doing out there."" They look like hell."
I says to him ,why should you care,your not renting it,are you.
Then I tell him thats my winters supply of firewood,for free. And I says, if you paid me the rent this place is really worth, I could afford to by fuel oil & won't need to scrounge free pallets.
He had nothing to say to that, only a dirty look.
Err, how much fur yur truck? ;-)
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Paid $600.oo bucks for it, but I ain't selling it, no way,no how, and heres why!
were having 6 inch of snow comming tomorrow afternoon & i gotta go out & blow up the flat tire & charge up the battery & get a 5 gal can of black gold($17.00) from the gas station sos it can run, fer just a little while, pushing the snow around the yard.
1985 chevy seria 4wd at 350 cu in v8 gas guzzler with more rust than my 1960 stove.
Even the rust holes have rust holes in them!
Pretty soon, all that going to be left is a bucket seat on top of a frame with an engine.
Well, maybe not quite that bad, not yet, there is still 3/4ths of the body left, but you get the idea.
I could never get that rust bucket registered but it dont need to be to plow my 100 ft x 200 ft drive way. I have the front part of the drive way rented out to a used car lot , so the drive way is paying its own way, but I still have to plow the back 100 ft that they
refuse to rent from me.
Cheap sob tennants.
Clutter up the yard with their junk used cars & the wont even rent the entire parcel of land from me.
But I fixed them good. I had 360 free oak pallets dumped by 6 trucks back there.
on craigslist.com I found a shipping yard that was ordered to clean up their location & were very happy to delevery the pallets to me so as not to have to pay dumping fees.
My tennant comes out all p.o.ed ."What are all those pallets doing out there."" They look like hell."
I says to him ,why should you care,your not renting it,are you.
Then I tell him thats my winters supply of firewood,for free. And I says, if you paid me the rent this place is really worth, I could afford to by fuel oil & won't need to scrounge free pallets.
He had nothing to say to that, only a dirty look.
I just measured the (seemingly) cavernous firebox on my furnace. 5.625 cubic feet, give or take a bit. Hard to measure with a fire in there, got it close though. So he's a'claimin' 10 cf? Wow, I could put my whole wood trailer in there. I can't imagine how much wood you'd burn with that crazy thing, although he does say you can burn anything and not void the warranty, unlike those tight-reared OWB manufacturers who will actually void the warranty if you burn anything other than wood!
He's taking a few right ideas, and mixing them with about 50 bad ones. Sure he means well and all, and somebody out there might swear they're the greatest ever, but I'd be pretty cheesed if my neighbor had one and decided to burn used tires, because the warranty says he can. Goes to show you, you can find it ALL on ebay, whether you want to or not.
He's taking a few right ideas, and mixing them with about 50 bad ones. Sure he means well and all, and somebody out there might swear they're the greatest ever, but I'd be pretty cheesed if my neighbor had one and decided to burn used tires, because the warranty says he can. Goes to show you, you can find it ALL on ebay, whether you want to or not.
That looks a lot like my 20 plus? yr. old non cat wood furnace. The size is the same too. Just my opinion, but the bigger the firebox, the more wood you'll use. I can get plenty of heat out of a small fire . But to load it up and get a really long burn you have to damp it way down until it almost smolders. One other thing to consider is no matter how big the firebox, unless you have a good blower to move the heat, you won't be happy with it. It took 2 yrs. of fooling around until I finally hit a good combo. I would find out the blower size before anything else.
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- Jul 19, 2006
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Mr. Eernest4
It seems da gent has a bad outhouse on life, so give him a news set of glasses for Christmas. ;-)
btw, does he have a fine truck like yours on his lot?
If yes, is he at lest tree months behind on da rent?
If yes, I has proposition 113 for youse.
As you can see by my avatar, I own a Fisher
My card, Mr. Eernest4
Have “smoke dragon“, will travel
It seems da gent has a bad outhouse on life, so give him a news set of glasses for Christmas. ;-)
btw, does he have a fine truck like yours on his lot?
If yes, is he at lest tree months behind on da rent?
If yes, I has proposition 113 for youse.
As you can see by my avatar, I own a Fisher
My card, Mr. Eernest4
Have “smoke dragon“, will travel
Ibjamn said:
hey now, the 3500 was much prettier, as well as carrying a Ul listing
before buying , contact the guy and ask him if he had his ul1482 listing from omni , or warnock hersey
pistonslap said:
Piston,
You have the right idea guy... no matter what, you need to move that hot air.. whether it is from a stove, insert, furnace or 'forum'!
The stove is definitely made for a plenum setup and most don't understand this point. Our little stoves and inserts are made to heat a limited area. I installed (back in the late 70's) a Yukon Multi forced hot air unit and it did work beautifully. The downfall was having to truck down the basement to load it and of course to get all that wood down there.
For those that have a large farm house or flat warehouse/shop facility.. this may be the Cat's-Meow.
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